How to Differentiate a Polynomial with Pi?

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The discussion revolves around differentiating a polynomial function that includes a term with pi, specifically the function y = -5x^3 + 4/x^5 + 1.7pi. Participants are exploring the rules of differentiation in the context of calculus, particularly focusing on how to handle constants and polynomial terms.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of each term, questioning how to properly apply derivative rules, especially for the term 4/x^5. There is confusion regarding the resulting powers and coefficients after differentiation, particularly the appearance of x^8 in the context of the final answer.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the differentiation process. Some have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, while others express confusion about specific steps and results. There is no explicit consensus on the final answer, but various interpretations and methods are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of explanation they can provide. There is a noted confusion regarding the treatment of constants like pi and the application of derivative rules, particularly in relation to polynomial expressions.

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Homework Statement



y = -5x3 + 4/x5 + 1.7pi

Homework Equations



Differentiate each Function.
Derivatives

The Attempt at a Solution


I have done question like these before but this is the first time using pi.
I used all derivative rules none of them give me the right answer.
The answer I am suppose to get is -5(3x8 + 4)/x6
Grade 12 Calculus
 
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The Pi is a constant. It's derivative is zero. Now just work from there.
 


y = -5x^3 + 4/x^5 + 1.7pi
see how its like 4/x^5 how do you find the derivative of that.
I got the first part -15x^2+?
 


Thendi said:
y = -5x^3 + 4/x^5 + 1.7pi
see how its like 4/x^5 how do you find the derivative of that.
I got the first part -15x^2+?

4/x^5=4*x^(-5). Use the usual power rule.
 


ok I get -15x^2+4x^-5
i took out -5 as a common factor but the answer is -5(3x^8 + 4)/x^6
3x^8 where is the power of 8 coming from isn't it suppose to be 2
 


Thendi said:
ok I get -15x^2+4x^-5
i took out -5 as a common factor but the answer is -5(3x^8 + 4)/x^6
3x^8 where is the power of 8 coming from isn't it suppose to be 2

i) I said 4/x^5=4*x^(-5). You still need to differentiate it. ii) -5*3x^8/x^6=-15*x^2. They put an overall factor of x^6 into the denominator. Do you see?
 


-15x^2 minus 25x^-6 since (d/dx)5x^-5= (-5)(5)(x^-6) and -5x^3= (3)(-5)(x^2)
 


Thendi said:
ok I get -15x^2+4x^-5
i took out -5 as a common factor but the answer is -5(3x^8 + 4)/x^6
3x^8 where is the power of 8 coming from isn't it suppose to be 2

Setting aside the differentiation for a moment, when you say that you took out -5 as a common factor, you don't mean that you took it out of 4x^-5, do you? If so, this is not allowed. If not, ignore this post.
 


I am confused what does * mean? "i) I said 4/x^5=4*x^(-5). You still need to differentiate it." i did differentiate it...i get -20x^-6 is it right?
 
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oh i think you meant (-5x^3 plus 4)/(x^5) then this could be simplified to ((-5)/(x^2)) plus ((4)/(x^5)) where the derivative is (10/x^3 minus 25x^-6) since d/dx (-5x^-2)=(-2)(-5)(x^-3)
 
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Thendi said:
I am confused what does * mean? "i) I said 4/x^5=4*x^(-5). You still need to differentiate it." i did differentiate it...i get -20x^-6 is it right?

'*' mean multiply. You didn't say that in the original post. You said I get '-15x^2+4x^-5'. I get also get -15x^2-20x^(-6). You don't see how that's the same thing as -5(3x^8 + 4)/x^6??
 
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Robert1986 said:
Setting aside the differentiation for a moment, when you say that you took out -5 as a common factor, you don't mean that you took it out of 4x^-5, do you? If so, this is not allowed. If not, ignore this post.

no no i took -5 out of [-15x^2 - 20x-6]
so i get -5[3x^2 - 4x^-6]

~Dick
I am so confused, can you please do the whole question step by step if possible because I really need to know where I did the mistake. Anyone will do
 
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Thendi said:
no no i took -5 out of [-15x^2 - 20x-6]
so i get -5[3x^2 - 4x^-6]

I am so confused, can you please do the whole question step by step if possible because I really need to know where I did the mistake. Anyone

You haven't made any mistake. Except possibly in communication -15x^2-20x-6 is equal to -5(3x^8 + 4)/x^6 isn't it?
 
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oh I got the answer already.

Thanks a lot guys for the help especially Dick.
This is going to help me big time for my MCV.

I need to ask one more question before I sleep.
Thanks again. :P
 

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