How to differentiate this potential energy function?

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The discussion revolves around differentiating a potential energy function V(x,y) = V(ax - by) with respect to the variables x and y. The context involves multivariable calculus, particularly the application of the chain rule in differentiation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the potential energy function and expresses confusion regarding the resulting expressions for the derivatives. Some participants suggest using the chain rule and provide a transformation of variables to simplify the differentiation process. Others question the presence of the negative sign in the derivative results and seek clarification on the physical interpretation of the equations presented.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the differentiation process and the physical meaning of the equations. Guidance has been offered regarding the application of the chain rule, but there remains uncertainty about specific aspects of the differentiation and the equations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of familiarity with multivariable calculus concepts, as some are still engaged in single-variable calculus. There is also mention of Newton's second law and its relation to the equations being discussed, indicating a potential overlap with physics concepts.

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Homework Statement


Given the potential energy function V(x,y)=V(ax-by) where a,b is an arbitrary constants differentiate with respect to x and y.

Homework Equations


Multivariavle differentiation

The Attempt at a Solution


The answer yields (d/dt)p1=-aV'(ax-by)
(d/dt)p2=+bV'(ax-by). The right side is confusing. How did it get to that? I am not in my MultiCal class yet as I am just in the middle of SingCal so i don't get it. Can you guide through the process?
 
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Assuming ## z=ax-by ## and using chain rule, we have:
## \frac{dV}{dx}=\frac{dV}{dz}\frac{dz}{dx}=a\frac{dV}{dz}##. Now we change the name of ## \frac{dV}{dz} ## to ## V'##.
 
Ok, but why is it -aV'?
 
At first I didn't know what are p1 and p2 and what are those equations, but I thought you yourself know! Anyway, I think those are the x and y components of Newton's 2nd law and so they are components of ## \frac{d\vec p}{dt}=-[\frac{dV}{dx}\hat x+\frac{dV}{dy}\hat y]##. The extra minus sign is because of the minus sign in the formula itself.
 
Oh yes, i know what the equations are but have totally forgotten about the minus in front of the right side of lagrangian. Thanks
 

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