How to do 1565 x 1197 in 10 seconds without a calculator and paper?

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The discussion revolves around methods for quickly calculating the product of 1565 and 1197 without the use of calculators or paper. Participants explore various mental math techniques, including traditional methods and modern shortcuts, while debating the feasibility and efficiency of these approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests approximating 1565 x 1197 by calculating 1565 x 1200 and then subtracting 1565 three times.
  • Another participant inquires about applying a traditional Indian calculation method, but others express unfamiliarity with it.
  • A participant mentions using Google for the calculation, which they claim is faster than mental methods.
  • One participant shares a detailed calculation method involving breaking down the multiplication into simpler steps, referencing an ancient technique of halving and doubling numbers.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Vedic math, providing examples of how it can simplify certain types of multiplication, particularly with two-digit numbers that share common tens digits.
  • A participant elaborates on a specific Vedic math technique for multiplying two-digit numbers with a common tens digit and ones digits that sum to ten, providing a proof for the method.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the effectiveness of mental math techniques versus using tools like Google. There is no consensus on the best method for performing the calculation quickly, and some participants remain uncertain about the traditional methods discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some methods proposed rely on specific conditions or assumptions about the numbers involved, and the discussion includes various levels of familiarity with the techniques mentioned.

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How to do this in 10 seconds without a calculator and scratch paper?

1565 x 1197 = ?
 
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Call it 1565 * 1200 which is just (1565 * 2 *100) + 1565*1000
The subtract 1565 three times.
 
Do you know how to apply Indian's classic calculation method to this ?
 
Sorry never heard of it.
 
Jekertee said:
How to do this in 10 seconds without a calculator and scratch paper?

1565 x 1197 = ?

Ask google - it takes less than 5 seconds!
:))
 
I don't think that'll work.
 
I googled 1565 x 1197, and got the answer: 1 873 305.
It didn't take 10 seconds. Then I googled "India's classic calculation method" but I got nothing I could use.

Jekertee, are you willing to teach us the method?
 
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Here's a question: how randomly chosen is that pair of numbers? After you demonstrate the method, I want to see you do the same thing with numbers provided by an audience member.
 
jimmysnyder said:
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Jekertee, are you willing to teach us the method?

:shy , Jim, I din't know that method also, I made a quizz thinking that someone knew to tell me too

I input random numbers into the search box of google but found only strange result. It's amazing to me the example I gave works on your search
 
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Jekertee said:
...I input random numbers into the search box of google but found only strange result.

Only numbers? Didn't you specify an operator?

What about an expression like (into the search box):
2*17.9 + 3**3

:smile:
 
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Jekertee said:
I din't know that method also, I made a quizz thinking that someone knew to tell me too
Is there any information you could give us to help search for it?
 
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1565 x 1200 - (1565 x 3) = ?

4 x 1565 = 6000 + 240 + 20 = 6260
6260 x 300 - (1565 x 3) = ?
6260 x 3 = 18000 + 600 + 180 = 18780
18780 x 100 = 1878000 - (1565 x 3)
1565 x 3 = 4500 + 180 + 15 = 4695
1878000 - 4695 = ?
=1873305

This is one way, and it's probably not the fastest, but it uses an ancient technique of multiplying where one number was halved, and the other was doubled. Or multiplied by 3, and divided by 3.
 
  • #13
it's called vedic math. if you google it, you'll find a ton of sites with math tricks here and there. but usually, they don't involve numbers that big.
for example:
when multiplying 2, 2-digit numbers with the same tens digits and two ones digits that add up to 10, (ex. 23 x 27 ) the vedic stuff is useful.
you just multiply the tens digit by the next number up, so multiply 2 by 3 and get 6.
then multiply the two ones digits, and get 21.
the answer is 621.

there's tons of little things like that that you can find on google.
 
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nabeelr said:
when multiplying 2, 2-digit numbers with the same tens digits and two ones digits that add up to 10, (ex. 23 x 27 ) the vedic stuff is useful.
you just multiply the tens digit by the next number up, so multiply 2 by 3 and get 6.
then multiply the two ones digits, and get 21.
the answer is 621.
Yes, here's a proof. Let a be the common tens place digit (2 in this case), and b one of the ones place digits (either 3, or 7 in this case). Then
(10a + b)(10a + 10 - b)
= 100a^2 + 100a - 10ab + 10ba + 10b - b^2
= 100a(a + 1) + b(10 - b)
That is to say, multiply a by the next number up, multiply by 100 and add the product of the two numbers in the respective ones places.
 

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