How to estimate a spring-mass-damper system's damping ratio?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the damping ratio of a spring-mass-damper system modeled by a torsional balance used to measure thrust from a propulsion system. Participants explore methods to analyze experimental data, particularly focusing on the system's response after the thruster is turned off.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experimental setup involving a torsional balance and seeks to determine the damping ratio and natural frequency from observed decaying oscillations after thruster operation.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the purpose and operation of the experimental rig, indicating a need for more context to understand the measurements being taken.
  • A suggestion is made to use the concept of log decrement to extract damping data from the measured response, which one participant acknowledges as useful.
  • Further clarification is provided about the experimental setup, including the mechanics of the torsional balance and the nature of the data being collected (displacement over time).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the experimental setup and the methods for estimating the damping ratio. There is no consensus on the best approach to analyze the data, and multiple viewpoints on the clarity of the experiment's purpose exist.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the clarity of the experimental data and the challenges posed by noise in the measurements. There is also an indication that the oscillation frequency observed may relate to the damped frequency of the system, but this remains to be clarified.

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Readers interested in experimental mechanics, damping analysis, and thrust measurement methodologies may find this discussion relevant.

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I have constructed a torsional balance, which basically consists of a torsional spring, and a damper. I model this as a spring mass damper system. And it is used to measure thrust of some propulsion system.
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This is how the system looks like. I am just very eager to find out, how to model the damping ratio from the experiment result I have got. Basically I turn on the thruster , and let it fire for certain duration, and then turn off the thruster. I don't see a good step response here because of the flow variation noises from the thruster, but I do see a perfect decaying oscillation curve after I turn off the thruster. I already have the curve fit equation for this decaying oscillation. What should I do to get its natural frequency and damping ratio? Is the systems oscillation frequency after this thruster firing at its damped frequency?

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I'm having difficulty understanding what you are doing here . Could you please explain some more about the purpose of your experiments and how that test rig actually works ?
 
Look up information on the idea of the log decrement to get the damping data from your measured response.
 
Nidum said:
I'm having difficulty understanding what you are doing here . Could you please explain some more about the purpose of your experiments and how that test rig actually works ?

Sure. This torsional balance is able to rotate around the pivot axis, and the pivot is basically a torsional spring. Thruster is mounted at one side of the torsional balance and the counterweight is used to balance the two arms to make sure it stays in horizontal plane. When thrust force is exerted, the torsional balance will rotate to a certain angle. When it is at steady state, the angle should be fixed and the torsional restoring moment of the torsional spring will be equal to the moment created by the thrust force. Here, instead of measuring angle displacement, I measure linear displacement because the rotational angle is very small.

The plot may look confusing. I am sorry about that. It is actually displacement over time plot instead of thrust over time plot. I am trying to find the damping ratio and natural frequency of the system using the oscillating waves after thruster firing.
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Hope this clarifies.
 
Dr.D said:
Look up information on the idea of the log decrement to get the damping data from your measured response.
Thank you! I am looking it up, seems useful!
 

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