External damping force in Mass Spring Damper system

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a Mass Spring Damper system designed for a wave energy converter, focusing on the role and physical meaning of an external damping force in the context of power extraction from heaving motion.

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  • One participant describes their system as a Mass Spring Damper system with an equation of motion incorporating excitation force, hydromechanical load, and an external damping force for power extraction.
  • Another participant notes the necessity of converting heaving motion into rotary motion for generator operation.
  • A different participant explains that to extract energy, a non-conservative force must be created, suggesting that a force proportional to velocity could facilitate this, while also mentioning the importance of maintaining amplitude for effective energy extraction.
  • One participant proposes that the external damping coefficient influences the damping force on the generator by adjusting resistance, affecting the generator's velocity, and suggests an optimal condition when the external damping equals the hydromechanical damping at the natural frequency.

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Participants express varying views on the implications of the external damping force and its relationship to system performance, with no consensus reached on the optimal conditions or the exact physical interpretation of the external damping force.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the dependence of energy extraction on the relationship between the operating frequency and the system's resonant frequency, indicating that this relationship is crucial for optimizing performance.

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Hi,

I am designing a wave energy converter, which has one degree of freedom - heaving motion. Meaning it will move only in vertical direction.
My system can be considered as a Mass Spring Damper system.

Thus my equation of motion is:

F=Fh+Fe

Where,

Fe= Excitation force (Wave force)
F=m*a (mass times acceleration)
Fh= -m(a)*a - b(hyd)*v - k*x (hydromechanical load)

m(a) - added mass
b(hyd) - damping coefficient
v - velocity
k - spring coefficient
x - distance

However, I also want to add a power extracting device to my system, which can be considered a generator. I have read many papers and they usually add a external damping force to enable power extraction.

Fb(ext)=-b(ext)*v

Thus my new equation of motion would be:

F=Fh+Fb(ext)+Fe

And finally my question. I would like to understand the physical meaning behind the external damping force. Does it mean that it is just a resistance (load) applied to the system to enable power extraction?
 
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If you want to generate electrical power with this system, you will need a way to turn the heaving motion (basically a translation) into rotary motion to spin a generator.
 
The basic idea of modeling the system is that to extract energy from it, you need to create a non-conservative force, so that a graph of force against displacement around one cycle of motion encloses (an "indicator diagram") encloses some area. The area represents the amount of work done.

Assuming the force is proportional to velocity is one way to do that, and it has the advantage that the math works out easily. There are other ways - for example a "friction" force with constant amplitude that always acts in the opposite direction to the motion.

One of the basic issues here is that taking energy out of the system will reduce the amplitude of the motion, and there is an "optimum" amount of energy you can take out without reducing the amplitude so much that no energy can get in! This optimum point depends on the operating frequency of the machine (i.e. the frequency of the waves) compared with its resonant frequency.
 
Thank you for the answers. I also did a bit of research myself and my understanding of the external damping coefficient, b(ext), is that it it determines the damping force on the generator by increasing resistance and thus decreasing the velocity of the generator. Or the other way around, by decreasing the resistance you have an increase in velocity.
It turns out that the optimum condition is achieved when you set b(ext)=b(hyd) and when your system oscillates at a frequency which is equal to the natural frequency.
 

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