How to Evaluate Indefinite Integrals with Radical Expressions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on evaluating indefinite integrals involving radical expressions, specifically the integrals ∫(x^2-1)^(-1/2) dx and ∫x^(-1)*(1-x^2)^(-1/2) dx. Participants explore various methods, including trigonometric and hyperbolic substitutions, to approach these integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using hyperbolic functions to simplify the first integral, proposing the substitution x=Cosh(u) and discussing the transformation of the integral.
  • Another participant counters that trigonometric substitutions might be more straightforward, referencing a trigonometric identity to aid in solving the first integral.
  • A third participant acknowledges the use of hyperbolic functions but prefers trigonometric functions due to familiarity, noting that both approaches are valid.
  • One participant expresses a preference for hyperbolic functions, arguing that they can lead to more elegant results compared to trigonometric functions.
  • A participant explores an alternative substitution for the second integral, suggesting u=1/x, and seeks validation for this approach.
  • Another participant agrees that the proposed substitution should work well for the second integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing preferences for using hyperbolic versus trigonometric functions, indicating a lack of consensus on the best approach. Multiple competing views remain on how to evaluate the integrals effectively.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not resolve the effectiveness of different substitution methods, and the discussion includes various assumptions about the familiarity and applicability of hyperbolic and trigonometric functions.

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how to evaluate the indefinite integral

∫(x^2-1)^(-1/2) dx

and

∫x^(-1)*(1-x^2)^(-1/2) dx
 
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Try to think like this:
Why are these integrals hard?

First hurdle:
There are ugly square roots here!

So, the next question is naturally:
What is the simplest way to "eliminate" a square root sign?
Answer:
Ensuring that the radicand is a perfect square!
Then, the root and the square would eliminate each other.

Agreed?

Thus, tackle the first one:
If x^{2}-1=y^{2}
then x^{2}-y^{2}=1

Do you know of any functions that behaves like x and y here?

Possibly, you are familiar with the hyperbolic functions, Cosh(u) and Sinh(u) which satisfies for all u the identity: Cosh^{2}u-Sinh^{2}(u)=1

In terms of exponentials, we have the relations:
Cosh(u)=\frac{e^{u}+e^{-u}}{2},Sinh(u)=\frac{e^{u}-e^{-u}}{2}

Thus, we set x=Cosh(u), whereby we transform the integral as follows:
\int\frac{dx}{\sqrt{x^{2}-1}}=\int\frac{1}{|Sinh(u)|}\frac{dx}{du}du

Now, we have that \frac{d}{du}Cosh(u)=Sinh(u), whereby the integral reduces to:
sgn(Sinh(u))\int{du}=sgn(Sinh(u))u=|u|
since Sinh(u) and u has matching sign domains.

Okay so far?
 
Actually, arildno I don't think we need to introduce hyperbolic functions. They might work, but you're thinking too much. I could solve both of them by using normal (non-hyperbolic) trigo substitutions.

@OP:

You might find this trigo identity useful:

(tan θ)^2 = (sec θ)^2 - 1

Once you figured out the proper trigo subst for the first one from the clue above, you're done.

For the 2nd one, you need a different trigo substitution. The following identity is useful:

(sin θ)^2 = 1 - (cos θ)^2
 
I LIKE hyperbolic functions, that's why I use them. :smile:

I am perfectly well aware of the sec substitution, but the result is more elegantly written in terms of hyperbolics/their inverses.
That's why I like them..
 
Defennnder, I also would tend to use trig functions, perhaps because that is what I first learned, but I noticed that arildno tends to use hyperbolic functions. It's certainly NOT a matter of "thinking too much"- one is as good as the other. One advantage I will conced to hyperbolic functions- you can use sinh and cosh rather than sec and tan which have more complicated integration and differentiation rules than sinh and cosh.
 
Thanks arildno, i haven't thought out the hyperbolic solution to the first problem.

yet to solve the 2nd problem,
is there any other way rather than using substitution x=sin u ?
I've thought out another possible substitution u=1/x, and then we could use the result of the firtst problem.
am i right?
 
That should work nicely, yes.
 

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