Is there a way to find the indefinite integral of e^(-x^2) or e^(x^2)?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of finding indefinite integrals for the functions e^(-x^2) and e^(x^2). Participants explore the theoretical aspects of indefinite integrals, the limitations of common mathematical tools, and the conditions under which certain functions may or may not have primitives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while e^(-x^2) and e^(x^2) may not have indefinite integrals expressible with standard functions, they do exist within broader classes of functions.
  • Others argue that the existence of an indefinite integral depends on the chosen set of tools for defining functions, suggesting that adding functions like the cumulative distribution function or the gamma function could allow for such integrals.
  • A later reply questions how one can determine if a function has a primitive in a given class without attempting to solve the integral.
  • It is noted that generally, it is not possible to ascertain the existence of a primitive without exhaustive searching through an infinite set of functions.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether specific proofs exist for the lack of a primitive for e^(-x^2) or if the absence of a known primitive simply indicates it has not yet been discovered.
  • There is a discussion about the use of LaTeX for mathematical notation, with participants sharing tips on formatting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether e^(-x^2) has a primitive in the defined class of functions. Multiple competing views remain regarding the existence of indefinite integrals and the methods to determine them.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of function classes and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical proofs regarding the existence of primitives.

dRic2
I was wandering if there is a way to understand whether it is possible to find an indefinite integral of a function. Let's say e^(-x^2) or e^(x^2)... They can't have indefinite integrals, but how can I say it? Is there a theorem or something?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
They do have indefinite integrals, it's just that those indefinite integrals cannot be written using the tools that are most commonly used to define functions, which are:
  • arithmetic functions ##\times,+,-,\div##
  • exponential, log and trig functions
  • parentheses
  • cases (eg ##f(x)=0## if ##x<0## otherwise ##1##)
After choosing a set of tools like this, call it S, we can recursively define a class E of functions that can be defined in a finite sequence of symbols using tools from S. then the statement you want to make about f not having an indefinite integral is that 'there is no function in E whose derivative is f'.

Note that the class E varies according to the tools we allow. The function ##f(x)=e^{-x^2/2}## has no indefinite integral in the class E based on tools in the four bullet points above, but if we add the function ##\Phi## which is used to denote the cumulative distribution function of the standard normal distribution, to the toolbox, then ##f## does have an indefinite integral, which is the set of functions ##\{g:\mathbb R\to\mathbb R\ :\ g(x)=\Phi(x)\sqrt{2\pi}+C,\ C\in\mathbb R\}##.

The gamma function ##\Gamma## is another example of a tool that might be added. IIRC it is an indefinite integral that is not expressible using the tools in the four bullets above. Various Bessel functions might be other examples.

For any class of functions E and function f such that there is no indefinite integral of f in E, we can define a new class E* that is constructed from the toolbox of E together with the indefinite integral of f.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: dRic2
Thank you! Very clear! So, now my question is: "how can I understand if f has a primitive in E?" Is it possible to see it without trying to solve the integral?
 
In general it's not possible. The only way to know for sure in an arbitrary case is to search all the functions in E. But since E is an infinite set, it cannot be searched in finite time. In certain specific cases there may be specific proofs that E does not contain a primitive. But those proofs will not be generalisable.
 
So, how can they say e^-(x^2) has not primitive in E? The only thing that can be said is that the primitive has not yet been found, right?
PS: how can I write it with LaTex? I can't find a way...
 
It may be that for that particular function there is a specific proof of the lack of a primitive. But I don't think the method used will be generalisable to an arbitrary function.

Or, it may be that no proof has been found and the author was just being a bit loose with their words.

If you know Latex, the only site-specific thing you need to know to make it work here is that the delimiter for in-line latex is ## rather than $. The delimiters for display latex are the same.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: dRic2

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
35K