How to evaluate stability of a non-causal System?

In summary, the conversation discusses taking a one-sided Laplace transform of a function and determining the stability of G(s) based on the resulting equation. The question arises of what to do with the non-causal term, exp(βt)u(-t), which gives 0 in the resulting equation. It is suggested to approach the problem by considering the behavior of exp(βt) as t approaches -∞ and to confirm with a professor if the problem holds any physical significance.
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rudra
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For this problem I have taken laplace(one-sided) transform of h(t) which gives me
H(s)=1/(s-α). From this I can state that α must be -ve for G(s) to be stable.
But my problem is while taking one-sided Laplace Transform the exp(βt)u(-t) part gives 0.
So in H(s) according to my calculation, β doesn't appear. I don't know what I am doing wrong. Please help
 
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rudra said:
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For this problem I have taken laplace(one-sided) transform of h(t) which gives me
H(s)=1/(s-α). From this I can state that α must be -ve for G(s) to be stable.
But my problem is while taking one-sided Laplace Transform the exp(βt)u(-t) part gives 0.
So in H(s) according to my calculation, β doesn't appear. I don't know what I am doing wrong. Please help

As I said, this problem deals with a nonexistent situation (anyone diosagree?).

But: the u(t) part is easy: what does exp(αt) do as t → ∞?

Now for the noncausal part: u(-t) = 1 for t < 0 and = 0 for t => 0. So for any negative value of t, what does exp(βt) do as t gets more and more negative, approaching t → -∞, with β positive or negative?
 
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@rude man,

I think your approach gives the proper soln. α should -ve and β by your logic should be positive.
 
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rudra said:
@rude man,

I think your approach gives the proper soln. α should -ve and β by your logic should be positive.

That's where I would put my chips. t → -t in the u(-t) term.

I still think you should ask your prof if that problem has any physical meaning. Unless you're a math purist I see no reason to worry about it.
 
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To evaluate the stability of a non-causal system, we need to analyze the poles and zeros of its transfer function. In this case, the transfer function H(s) = 1/(s-α). The stability of a system is determined by the location of its poles in the complex plane.

For a system to be stable, all the poles must lie in the left half of the complex plane (Re(s) < 0). This means that the real part of the pole must be negative. In the given transfer function, the pole is located at s = α. So, for H(s) to be stable, the value of α must be negative.

Now, you have correctly pointed out that while taking the one-sided Laplace transform, the term exp(βt)u(-t) gives 0. This is because the unit step function u(-t) is zero for all negative values of t. So, it does not contribute to the overall Laplace transform.

However, this does not mean that β is not important in determining the stability of the system. In fact, the value of β can affect the stability of the system. For example, if we have a transfer function H(s) = 1/(s-β), where β is positive, then the pole will be located in the right half of the complex plane (Re(s) > 0), and the system will be unstable.

In conclusion, to evaluate the stability of a non-causal system, we need to consider the location of its poles in the complex plane. While taking the one-sided Laplace transform, the unit step function may give a zero contribution, but the value of β can still affect the stability of the system. Therefore, it is important to carefully analyze the poles and zeros of the transfer function to determine the stability of a non-causal system.
 

1. How do you define stability in a non-causal system?

Stability in a non-causal system refers to the ability of the system to maintain its performance and characteristics over time, without exhibiting any unexpected or chaotic behavior.

2. What methods can be used to evaluate the stability of a non-causal system?

There are several methods that can be used to evaluate the stability of a non-causal system, including frequency domain analysis, Lyapunov stability analysis, and root locus analysis.

3. How does the concept of causality affect the stability of a system?

The concept of causality does not directly affect the stability of a system. However, a non-causal system may exhibit unstable behavior if it violates causality by having outputs that depend on future inputs.

4. Can a non-causal system be stable?

Yes, a non-causal system can be stable if it meets certain conditions, such as having a bounded impulse response or satisfying the BIBO stability criterion.

5. What are the consequences of an unstable non-causal system?

If a non-causal system is unstable, it can lead to unpredictable and erratic behavior, which can result in inaccurate or unreliable outputs. This can have serious consequences in real-world applications, such as in control systems or signal processing.

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