Finding Pole-zero pattern of transfer fcn and Stability of LTI system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the pole-zero pattern of a given transfer function for an LTI system, assessing its stability, and determining the impulse response. It includes theoretical aspects and homework-related queries.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the zeros of the transfer function are purely imaginary and provides a hint related to their values.
  • Another participant claims to have found the zeros as √2*i and -√2*i, and identifies the poles as -1, (-1+√3*i)/2, and -(1+√3*i)/2.
  • A participant suggests using the inverse Laplace transform to evaluate stability, indicating that if the expression approaches infinity as t approaches infinity, the system is unstable. They also mention that the poles determine stability, with specific conditions for stability, marginal stability, and instability based on pole locations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the stability of the system, with some providing conditions for stability based on pole locations, while others seek clarification on how to determine stability from the identified poles.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the exact nature of stability based on the identified poles, and the discussion does not reach a consensus on the stability classification of the system.

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Students and practitioners interested in control systems, transfer functions, and stability analysis of LTI systems may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement



The transfer function of an LTI system H(s) = (s^2 + 2)/(s^3+2s^2+2s+1)
Find the followings

i) pole-zero pattern of H(s)
ii) Stability of the system
iii) Impulse response h(t)

Homework Equations



Zero for which H(s) = 0 & Pole is for which H(s) = ∞

The Attempt at a Solution



Finding Zeros:
Here H(S) =0, if s^2 + 2 =0, so how to find out the solution for s from the equation, I tried for different combination for imaginary values of i.

Finding Poles:
Here H(S) =∞, if s^3+2s^2+2s+1=0

so, s^3+2s^2+2s+1 =(s+1) (s^2+s+1) . Can anyone find me the solution here to find out the poles?

Please help me to find out the zeros & poles so that I can find out the stability of the system.
 
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there are 2 zeros,
hint (-2)*(-2)=(2)*(2)

also the zeros will be purely imaginary.


there are 3 poles.
one of them is -1

you should be able to find the other 2
 
Well, I found the zeros = √2*i & -√2*i
poles = -1, (-1+√3*i)/2 & -(1+√3*i)/2

Now, I am confused with the stability here? What type of stability is this LTI system? Anyone?
 
take the inverse laplace transform of the transfer function, and evaluate it as t approaches inf. If the expression approaches infinity, then the system is unstable. If the system is purely sinusoidal then it is marginally stable. If not the system is stable.

Now the being said there is a shortcut. The poles of a system determine stability. If any pole is in the right half plane, the system is unstable. If any pole is on the y-axis the system is marginally stable. Else, the system is stable
 
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