How to Evaluate the Magnetic Field in the Biot-Savart Law When r-r' Equals Zero?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the magnetic field using the Biot-Savart law, particularly in scenarios where the vector difference between the field point and the source point becomes zero. The original poster presents a specific case involving a U-shaped current loop and a metal bar, questioning how to handle the situation when the distance vector approaches zero, leading to an infinite magnetic field.

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  • Some participants suggest using superposition to address the problem of evaluating the magnetic field in the context of a square current loop.
  • Others draw parallels to electrostatics, noting that localized current distributions can lead to divergences similar to point charges.
  • One participant discusses the implications of using Ampere's law and the differences in magnetic field behavior for infinitely long wires versus those with physical extent.

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The discussion is exploring various interpretations of the problem, with participants providing insights into the behavior of magnetic fields in different configurations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of superposition and comparisons to electrostatic principles, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach to the original poster's question.

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Participants are considering the implications of the Biot-Savart law in the presence of singularities and the challenges posed by evaluating fields at points where the distance vector becomes zero. The original poster's scenario involves a specific geometric arrangement that may impose additional constraints on the analysis.

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Dear sir/lady

I have a question about the magnrtic force of steady current .
In Biot - Savart law to evalute of B (magnetic Field ) , below the Integral we have to do a cross product Idl'*(r-r')/|r-r'|^3 that r and r' are the vector position of the field and source . How we can evaluate this Integral if the vector r-r' is zero . ?
for example if we have a U shape Incomplete circuit and put a metal bar as the fourth side to complete it , when a stationary current I circualtes in square , a force will exert on the bar . if we would like to evaluate the force exerted by three sides on the fourth one , we will encounter this problem for the toppest and the lowest point of fourth one , on corners .Because vector r-r' =0 and B approches to infinity . Please help me .
 
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If you have a square shape current loop you can use superposition (i.e. the additive linearity operator).
 
If you have a totally localized current distribution, you'll get divergences, same as if you have point charges in electrostatics, i.e. in Coulomb's Law. Try solving the magnetic field for a cylindrical charge distribution and see what you get.
 
please explain me more !
 
Well, just work it out. The Biot-Savart law is pretty much equivalent to Ampere's law, so I'll work out the most trivial example of Ampere's law.

If you have an infinitely long wire with a current I running through it, and it has no spatial extent, then if I make a circle centered on the wire, I find that
[tex]\oint \mathbf{B} \cdot d \mathbf{l} = \mu_0 I[/tex]
which leads to
[tex]B (2 \pi r) = \mu_0 I[/tex]
from which we see that the magnetic field is infinite at r = 0.

Now let's work the same problem, only this time with a wire of radius a and constant current density J. Outside the wire, we get the same result from Ampere's law:
[tex]B = \frac{m_0}{2 \pi} \frac{\pi a^2 J}{r}[/tex]
But inside, the magnetic field is different. Inside, the current enclosed in the loop is given by [tex]I = \pi r^2 J[/tex], which means that
[tex]B = \frac{\mu_0}{2 \pi} \pi r J[/tex]
The magnetic field is nice and well-behaved inside the wire! But what's the difference?

Well, in the first case, the current density can be described as a delta-function, so that [tex]\nabla \times \mathbf{B} = \mu_0 I \delta(x)\delta(y)[/tex] if, say, the wire is resting on the z-axis. These delta-functions are wildly singular, and in fact this differential equation looks very similar to that of a point electrostatic charge [tex]\nabla \cdot \mathbf{E} = q \delta(\mathbf{r}) / \epsilon_0[/tex]

In the second case, the current distribution can be described by step-functions, which although their derivatives are discontinuous, the actual functions are finite and well-behaved everywhere. This is the origin of the difference, and why the magnetic field would diverge for a wire of zero physical extent.
 
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