How to expand r_{\pm} and \frac{1}{r_{\pm}} around d = 0

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The discussion revolves around the expansion of the expression for \( r_{\pm} \) and \( \frac{1}{r_{\pm}} \) in the context of a physics problem, specifically focusing on the approximation when \( d \) is much smaller than \( r \). The participants are exploring the implications of this approximation in relation to potential calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of Taylor expansion and binomial series to derive the approximations for \( r_{\pm} \) and \( \frac{1}{r_{\pm}} \). There is some confusion regarding the steps involved in the expansion process, particularly in how to handle the terms under the radical. Some participants suggest factoring out terms and simplifying the expression.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mathematical techniques applicable to the problem. There is recognition of the binomial series as a useful tool, and some participants express uncertainty about specific steps in the derivation process. No consensus has been reached, but there is productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants note the importance of maintaining \( d \) as a non-zero value to ensure the potential can be calculated, which adds a layer of complexity to the expansion process. There are also mentions of technical issues related to the forum's TeX code functionality, which may affect the clarity of communication.

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Homework Statement


Let
r_{\pm} = \sqrt{r^2 \mp rdcos\theta + (d/2)^2}
in my book it is said that for a approximation where d << r (we don't want d=0 cause the purpose is to find the potential, and with d=0 there would be no potential) so he does a expansion carried to first order in d. Then its given the following result

r_{\pm} \approx r(1 \mp \frac{d}{2r}cos\theta)
and it follows that

\frac{1}{r_{\pm}} \approx \frac{1}{r}(1 \pm \frac{d}{2r}cos\theta)


2. The attempt at a solution
So... he doesn't mention it, but I guess it is a Taylor expansion, right?
Rewriting the equation... r_{\pm} \approx r\sqrt{1 \mp \frac{dcos\theta}{r} + {\frac{d}{2r}}^2}.

But I'm getting a bit confused about it... i can't figure out how exactly he comes up with that. Cause to me... the expansion, based on the equation given bellow for Taylor Series, would go like... r_{\pm} \approx r\left\{\sqrt{1 \mp \frac{d'cos\theta}{r} + {\frac{d'}{2r}}^2} + \frac{1}{2}*\frac{cos\theta/r + d'/2r^2}{\sqrt{1 \mp \frac{d'cos\theta}{r} + {\frac{d'}{2r}}^2}}\right\}...

It seems so simple, but I can't get what I'm missing. =/ Anyone could please help?

3. Relevant equations
Taylor series
f(a) + \frac{f'(a)}{1!} (x - a) + \frac{f''(a)}{2!}(x - a)^2 + ...
 
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emol1414 said:

Homework Statement


Let
r_{\pm} = \sqrt{r^2 \mp rdcos\theta + (d/2)^2}
in my book it is said that for a approximation where d << r (we don't want d=0 cause the purpose is to find the potential, and with d=0 there would be no potential) so he does a expansion carried to first order in d. Then its given the following result

r_{\pm} \approx r(1 \mp \frac{d}{2r}cos\theta)
and it follows that

\frac{1}{r_{\pm}} \approx \frac{1}{r}(1 \pm \frac{d}{2r}cos\theta)


2. The attempt at a solution
So... he doesn't mention it, but I guess it is a Taylor expansion, right?

I think it is simpler than that. Just factor an r2 out under the radical:

\sqrt{r^2(1 \pm \frac d r \cos\theta +\frac{d^2}{r^2})}

If d << r you can ignore the last term in the parentheses; it's close to zero.

[Edit] On closer examination I'm not sure...
[Edit more] Yes, so ignoring that term you have

r\sqrt{1 \pm \frac d r \cos\theta}

Use the first two terms of the binomial expansion for that square root and it works.
 
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Oh, thank you so much. Binomial series it was!

(Could you please answer me a non-related doubt? =D Sometimes my tex codes don't work: when I see a mistake and try to correct it, it doesn't change from what it was. ~.~ Sorry, I'm new to this forum, sorry about the poor english too. =X)
 
emol1414 said:
Oh, thank you so much. Binomial series it was!

(Could you please answer me a non-related doubt? =D Sometimes my tex codes don't work: when I see a mistake and try to correct it, it doesn't change from what it was. ~.~ Sorry, I'm new to this forum, sorry about the poor english too. =X)

Your English is fine, no need for apology. The TeX problem is a bug that has been reported many months ago and they can't seem to fix it. When the page displays old TeX, press F5 to refresh the screen in the browser which causes it to display the corrected code. That way you can see what is actually going to post. It is a nuisance but it works.
 

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