How to Find a Solution for a Differential Equation Passing Through Given Points

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The discussion revolves around finding a solution to the differential equation x\frac{dy}{dx} = y^{2} - y that passes through specific points, including (0,1), (0,0), (1/2, 1/2), and (2, 1/4).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the integration of the differential equation and the implications of the constant of integration when evaluating at the point (0,1). There is confusion regarding whether the result indicates c = 0 or the existence of a solution through that point.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the manipulation of logarithmic expressions and the relationship between the variables. There is ongoing exploration of how the derived expressions relate to the specified points, particularly (0,1). Multiple interpretations of the results are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are questioning the implications of the constant of integration and its effect on the existence of solutions through certain points, particularly at x = 0.

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Homework Statement



Find a solution of [tex]x\frac{dy}{dx} = y^{2} - y[/tex] that passes through the indicated points.

a) (0,1)
b) (0,0)
c) (1/2 , 1/2)
d) (2, 1/4)

Homework Equations



[tex]x\frac{dy}{dx} = y^{2} - y[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]x\frac{dy}{dx} = y^{2} - y[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{y^{2} - y} = \frac{dx}{x}[/tex]

[tex]\int\frac{dy}{y^{2} - y} = \int\frac{dx}{x}[/tex]

[tex]\int\frac{dy}{y(y - 1)} = ln|x| + c[/tex]

I used partial fractions to solve the left:

[tex]\int\left(\frac{1}{y - 1} - \frac{1}{y}\right)dy = ln|x| + c[/tex]

[tex]\int\frac{1}{y - 1}dy - \int\frac{1}{y}dy = ln|x| + c[/tex]

[tex]\int\frac{1}{y - 1}dy - ln|y| = ln|x| + c[/tex]

u = y - 1
du = dy

[tex]\int\frac{1}{u}du - ln|y| = ln|x| + c[/tex]

[tex]ln|u| - ln|y| = ln|x| + c[/tex]

[tex]ln|y - 1| - ln|y| = ln|x| + c[/tex]

[tex]ln|\frac{y - 1}{y}| = ln|x| + c[/tex]

[tex]\frac{y - 1}{y} = e^{ln|x| + c} = (e^{ln|x|})(e^{c})[/tex]

[tex]\frac{y - 1}{y} = |x|(e^{c})[/tex]

[tex]\frac{y - 1}{y} = \pm(e^{c})(x)[/tex]

[tex]\frac{y - 1}{y} = c(x)[/tex]

Now this is where I am confused:

a) (0, 1)

[tex]\frac{1 - 1}{1} = c(0)[/tex]

[tex]0 = 0[/tex]

Does this mean c = 0 or does it mean that there is no solution through the point (0, 1) or that there is a solution through the point as left = right?
 
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Hi KillerZ! :smile:
KillerZ said:
[tex]ln|\frac{y - 1}{y}| = ln|x| + c[/tex]

[tex]\frac{y - 1}{y} = e^{ln|x| + c} = (e^{ln|x|})(e^{c})[/tex]

Nooo :redface:

ln|(y-1)/xy| = c,

so … ? :smile:
 
I do not understand where the xy in ln|(y-1)/xy| came from.
 
lnA - lnB = ln(A/B) :wink:
 
So.

[tex]ln|y - 1| - ln|y| = ln|x| + c[/tex]

[tex]ln|y - 1| - ln|y| - ln|x| = c[/tex]

becomes ?

[tex]ln|\frac{y - 1}{yx}| = c[/tex]
 
:-p go on … :smile:
 
[tex]ln|\frac{y - 1}{yx}| = c[/tex]

[tex]\frac{y - 1}{yx} = e^{c}[/tex]

replace e^c with c as it is just a constant

[tex]\frac{y - 1}{yx} = c[/tex]
 
ah, looking back, I see you got there anyway …

ok, you were puzzled about getting it to go through (0,1).

You have c|x| = |(y-1)/y|, so for any non-zero value of c, limy->1|x| = 0 …

they all go through (0,1) ! :smile:
 
ok thank you.
 

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