How to Find Acceleration and Velocity in a Block and Wedge System

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The discussion revolves around a block and wedge system involving two blocks, A and B, with given masses and no friction. The original poster seeks to find the acceleration of block B and the velocity of block B relative to block A at a specific time, starting from rest.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's laws and derive equations based on free body diagrams but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their equations and the choice of reference frames. Some participants question the reasoning behind the derived equations and suggest that the acceleration components may need to be considered in both horizontal and vertical directions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the setup of the problem, with some providing insights into the need for multiple equations to account for the forces acting on both blocks. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the motion of block B due to its acceleration along the ramp.

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There is mention of the need for additional equations to fully describe the system, as well as the challenge of dealing with the accelerations of both blocks in different directions. The original poster indicates a potential issue with their choice of reference frame for analyzing the motion.

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Homework Statement



http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9476/dib.th.png

mA = 22kg
mA = 10kg
No friction
At t = 0, at rest

a.- Find aB
b.- Find vB/A at t = 0.5s


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The Attempt at a Solution



http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3786/dib3.th.png http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9979/dib2.th.png

I got to the following equations:
mA·aA = mA·g·cos(30) + NB·sin(50)
0 = NA - mA·g·sin(30) - NB·cos(50)

mB·aA·sin(30) = NB - mB·g·cos(20)
mB·aB/A - mB·aA·cos(50) = mB·g·sin(20)

There must be something wrong in these because after solving my results are wrong.
I don't know if I chose the wright base for studying each body (maybe the equations would be simpler with some other base?).

Thanks for your help!
 
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I'm having a little trouble figuring out how you got to those equations - can you tell me a little more of your reasoning?
 
I used Newton's 2nd law and then projected the vectors.
 
It seems to me that you have oversimplified. For starters, the acceleration of block B is going to be partly vertical and partly horizontal. It will not be in the direction of the ramp surface because that surface is falling and moving to the left. I think you need both horizontal and vertical accelerations for both blocks.

I'm thinking of the free body diagrams for A and B. I can write sum of forces = ma in each direction for each block, and get 4 equations with 6 unknowns including the 4 accelerations and the two normal forces.

NBsin(20) = 10aBx horizontal
NBcos(20) - 10g = 10aBy vertical
-NBcos(20) - NAcos(60) = 22aAx horizontal
-NBsin20 - 22g + NBsin(60) = 22aAy

Block A can only accelerate along the ramp so aAy = aAx*tan(30)

Still missing one equation. Must be something to do with B accelerating along its ramp, but it is itself accelerating so awkward to write!
 
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