How to Find Constants p and q in a Quadratic Function?

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The discussion revolves around finding the constants \( p \) and \( q \) in the quadratic function \( f(x) = px^2 - qx \) given that the point \( A(1,3) \) lies on the curve and the tangent line at this point has a gradient of 8. Participants explore different interpretations of the term "gradient" and how it affects the calculations of \( p \) and \( q \).

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  • One participant asserts that the gradient refers to the slope of the tangent line, leading to the equations \( 3 = p - q \) and \( 8 = 2p - q \), resulting in \( p = 5 \) and \( q = 2 \).
  • Another participant questions this interpretation, suggesting that "gradient" might refer to the slope of the normal line, leading to a different system of equations: \( p - q = 3 \) and \( 2p - q = -\frac{1}{8} \), resulting in \( p = -\frac{4}{15} \) and \( q = -\frac{49}{15} \).
  • A third participant acknowledges the possibility of differing interpretations but assumes that gradient and slope are synonymous.
  • Another participant reiterates that gradient typically refers to the slope of the tangent line, supporting the first participant's interpretation.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of "gradient" as either the slope of the tangent line or the slope of the normal line, leading to different calculations for \( p \) and \( q \). No consensus is reached on the correct interpretation.

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The discussion highlights the ambiguity in the term "gradient" and its implications for the mathematical problem, as well as the potential for multiple interpretations affecting the results.

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Given $f(x)=px^2-qx$, $p$ and $q$ are constants, point $A(1,3)$ lies on the curve, The tangent line to the curve at $A$ has gradient $8$. Find $p$ and $q$

well since it mentioned gradient then $f'(x)=2px-q$

then from $A(1,3)$ we have $3=p(1)^2-q(1)$ and from $m=8$, $8=2p(1)-q$

solving simultaneously we have
$3=p-q$
$8=2p-q$

then $p=5$ and $q=2$

thus $f(x)=5x^2-2x$

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no answer was given on this so just seeing if this is correct
 
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English is not my mother tongue so I'll just throw in my 2 cents. :)

Are you sure gradient means the slope of the tangent line? The interpretation I know of a gradient to a curve is the slope of the normal line to the curve. With this in mind we find that the tangent line has slope

$$m_{\parallel} = - \frac{1}{8}.$$

Therefore we arrive at the system

$$\begin{cases}
p-q = 3 \\
2p -q = - \frac{1}{8}.
\end{cases}$$

Multiplying the bottom equation by 8 and subtracting the first from the second we get $16p - p + q - q = -1 -3$, thus $15 p = -4$ and $p = -4/15.$ Using the first equation we find

$$q = p - 3 = - \frac{4}{15} - 3 = - \frac{49}{15}.$$

It's a lot uglier than what you got, but it would be interesting to know whether this reading into the question is possible. :)

Cheers!
 
well you are probably correct...
I was assuming gradient and slope are the same thing

however. looks like the method is basically the same

K
 
From what I've seen, gradient refers to the slope of the tangent line, not the normal to the slope of this line.
 

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