How to find forces in wires at equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around determining the tensions in suspension wires at equilibrium, specifically through the analysis of equilibrium equations related to forces and moments in a system involving a beam and wires.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to set up equilibrium equations but encounters a matrix with rank two, indicating insufficient equations for the number of unknowns. Some participants suggest that assumptions about the deformation of the wires and beam are necessary to progress. Others explore relationships between the forces based on the deformation equations derived from the setup.

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Participants are actively discussing the implications of their assumptions regarding the rigidity of the beam and the elasticity of the wires. There is a recognition that further assumptions may lead to a solvable system, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach or the validity of the proposed assumptions.

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Participants note that the problem involves multiple variables and equations, with some expressing concern over the adequacy of the equations derived from the force balances. The discussion reflects a mix of theoretical exploration and practical application of mechanics principles.

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I need to find tensions in suspensions wires on the picture:
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I wrote 4 equilibrium equations for moments in A, B, C, D and equilibrium about y-axis, but i got matrix with rank two.

\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 3 &amp; 2 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 \\<br /> -1 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 \\<br /> -2 &amp; -1 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> F_A \\<br /> F_B \\<br /> F_C \\<br /> F_D<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> =<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 2 \\<br /> 1 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}

How to find the forces?
 
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Yes, there ard only two equations to be had from the usual linear and rotational force balances. To get further, you will need to make assumptions about how the wires and beam deform under loads.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes, there ard only two equations to be had from the usual linear and rotational force balances. To get further, you will need to make assumptions about how the wires and beam deform under loads.
... Specifically, I would suggest taking the beam to be completely straight and rigid, but allow the wires all the same modulus of elasticity. That is enough to get a solution.
 
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\delta_A = \delta_C - 2x\delta_B = \delta_C - x\delta_D = \delta_C + x
Thus,
F_A = \frac{\delta_A SE}{L} = \frac{\delta_C SE}{L} - 2x\frac{SE}{L}

And further,
F_B - F_A = F_C - F_B = F_D - F_C.

Now matrix looks like this:
\begin{pmatrix}<br /> -1 &amp; 2 &amp; -1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; -1 &amp; 2 &amp; -1 \\<br /> 3 &amp; 2 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> -1 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> F_A \\<br /> F_B \\<br /> F_C \\<br /> F_D<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> =<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> 1 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}

It has solution 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4.
 

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harmyder said:
\delta_A = \delta_C - 2x
\delta_B = \delta_C - x
\delta_D = \delta_C + x
Thus,
F_A = \frac{\delta_A SE}{L} = \frac{\delta_C SE}{L} - 2x\frac{SE}{L}

And further,
F_B - F_A = F_C - F_B = F_D - F_C.

Now matrix looks like this:
\begin{pmatrix}<br /> -1 &amp; 2 &amp; -1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; -1 &amp; 2 &amp; -1 \\<br /> 3 &amp; 2 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> -1 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> F_A \\<br /> F_B \\<br /> F_C \\<br /> F_D<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> =<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> 1 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}

It has solution 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4.
That's the answer I get.
 
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