Finding eigenvector QM 2x2 matrix

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The discussion revolves around finding eigenvectors and normalizing energy states for a 2x2 matrix in quantum mechanics. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the normalization process and the use of the ratio method as presented in a lecture solution.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive eigenvalues and eigenvectors through matrix equations and expresses uncertainty about the normalization method used in the lecture. Some participants question the validity of the original poster's conclusions regarding the values of A and B in the eigenvector equations, suggesting that only the ratio can be determined from the equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing feedback on the calculations and clarifying the relationship between A and B. There is a recognition of the need to correct earlier assumptions, and some participants offer guidance on how to approach the normalization process.

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Homework Statement


I am having a issue with how my lecture has normalised the energy state in this question.
I will post my working and I will print screen his solution to the given question below, we have the same answer but I am unsure to why he has used the ratio method.
Q4. a), b), c)
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My solution for a), b), c)

a)
$$\hat H|E> = E|E> ;[1]$$

$$\hat H|E> - E|E>=0 ;[2]$$

$$\hat H|E> - IE|E>=0; [3]$$

$$(\hat H-IE)=0 ;[4]$$

$$\begin{pmatrix}0&-\Omega \\ \:-\Omega &\frac{2\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}\end{pmatrix}-E\begin{pmatrix}1&0\\ \:0&1\end{pmatrix}=0 ;[5] $$

So expanding out and finding the determinate of the following matrix

$$\begin{pmatrix}-E&-\Omega \\ \:-\Omega &\frac{2\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}-E\end{pmatrix}=0 ; [6]$$

$$\begin{pmatrix}-E&-\Omega \\ \:-\Omega &\frac{2\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}-E\end{pmatrix}= E^2-\frac{2E\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}-\Omega ^2=0 ;[7]$$

$$\left(E-\frac{3\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}\right)\left(E+\frac{\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}\right)=0 [8]$$

So solving gives me the following for ##E_{-}## and ##E_{+}##

$$E_{-}=\frac{3\Omega }{\sqrt{3}} ; [9]$$

$$E_{+}=-\frac{\Omega }{\sqrt{3}} ; [10]$$

b) I solved the eignvector for ground state in the following way

$$\begin{pmatrix}0&-\Omega \\ -\Omega &\frac{2\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}A\\ B\end{pmatrix}=-\frac{\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}\begin{pmatrix}A\\ B\end{pmatrix} ; [11] $$

$$-\Omega B= -\frac{\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}A ; [12]$$

$$-\Omega A=-\frac{3}{\sqrt{3}}B ; [13]$$

So solving for both of these give ##A=\sqrt 3## so therfore:

$$E_{-}= |0> + \sqrt 3 |1> ; [14]$$

To normalize [14] I found the normalizing constant in the following way:

$$< E_{-} | E_{-} > = 1+3=4 ; [15]$$

$$N^2 < E_{-} | E_{-} > = 1 ; [16]$$

$$N^2=\frac{1}{4}; [17]$$

$$N= \frac{1}{2}; [18]$$

$$|E_{-}> = \frac{1}{2} |0> + \frac{\sqrt 3}{2} | 1 > ; [19]$$

c) $$P(1)=\left(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\right)^2=\frac{3}{4}=75\% [20]$$

Here is my lecture solution:
a)
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b)
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last part of b) and all of c)
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I just don't understand the ratio method, it is a quicker method than mine or is it used more in more difficult matrices
 

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Taylor_1989 said:
b) I solved the eignvector for ground state in the following way

$$\begin{pmatrix}0&-\Omega \\ -\Omega &\frac{2\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}A\\ B\end{pmatrix}=-\frac{\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}\begin{pmatrix}A\\ B\end{pmatrix} ; [11] $$

$$-\Omega B= -\frac{\Omega }{\sqrt{3}}A ; [12]$$

$$-\Omega A=-\frac{3}{\sqrt{3}}B ; [13]$$

So solving for both of these give ##A=\sqrt 3##
Check your work here. You cannot deduce that ##A=\sqrt 3## from equations [12] and [13]. These equations determine only the ratio of A to B.

So solving for both of these give ##A=\sqrt 3## so therfore:

$$E_{-}= |0> + \sqrt 3 |1> ; [14]$$
It looks like you let ##A = 1## here; whereas, you claimed ##A = \sqrt 3##.

In the lecture's solution you find
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Check this. The last equation for ##\frac{A}{B}## does not look correct.
 

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Sorry, that was a typo. It is meant to be ##A=\sqrt 3 B## so then I through that as the simplest number for A would be 1 then B would be ##\sqrt 3## time that, so then I got the column vector: ##\begin{pmatrix}1\\ \sqrt{3}\end{pmatrix}##. Which the gave me ##E_{-} = |0> + \sqrt 3 | 1 >## and then I normalised
 
Taylor_1989 said:
It is meant to be ##A=\sqrt 3 B## so then I through that as the simplest number for A would be 1 then B would be ##\sqrt 3## time that, so then I got the column vector: ##\begin{pmatrix}1\\ \sqrt{3}\end{pmatrix}##.
If you substitute ##A=1## in the relation ##A=\sqrt 3 B##, what do you get for ##B##?
 
Sorry, i will correct this and hopefully will have the correct ans this time. ##E_-=\begin{pmatrix}1\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\end{pmatrix}## so then once I have normalized I get the following, ##|E_->=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}|0>+\frac{1}{2}|1>## So then my ans for c) would be ##25 ##%. Hopefully this is now correct?
 
Taylor_1989 said:
##E_-=\begin{pmatrix}1\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\end{pmatrix}## so then once I have normalized I get the following, ##|E_->=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}|0>+\frac{1}{2}|1>## So then my ans for c) would be ##25 ##%. Hopefully this is now correct?
Yes, that looks correct.
 
Ah thank you very much for the help
 

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