How to Find R from Electric Charge Problem

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The discussion revolves around an electric charge problem involving forces between multiple charges. The original poster attempts to find the distance \( R \) based on the forces acting on charge \( q_1 \) due to charges \( q_3 \) and \( q_4 \), while also considering the influence of charge \( q_2 \). The problem is situated within the context of electrostatics and vector components of forces.

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  • Participants explore the components of forces acting on the charges, questioning the necessity of considering both x and y components. There are discussions about the correct expressions for the forces and the relationships between distances and angles in the setup.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, providing clarifications and corrections regarding the setup and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of trigonometric relationships to express the x-components of the forces, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer yet.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of trigonometric functions and the interpretation of the distances involved. Participants are also grappling with the implications of their equations and the potential for errors in their calculations.

  • #31
#30
Well.. would it make any difference?
#29
yeah i may have understood your previous post..
Now is the result
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  • #32
kidi3 said:
#30
Well.. would it make any difference?
#29

Yes. The big fraction in the square root is upside down.
 
  • #33
...'
I still get an incorrect answer..

http://snag.gy/veJcm.jpg
 
  • #34
It's not the d/cosθ that should be flipped. When you got down to your last expression with the square root, the main fraction inside the square root appears to be upside down (not the d/cosθ).

For the moment, let's let r = d/cosθ and R = d+D

Then your original equation can be written as

2q3cosθ/r2= q2/R2

What does this become if you multiply both sides by r2R2?
 
  • #35
I am getting confused.. wasn't F_x i shoud have used..

And the error, I really don't understand how there can be a error in the equation i wrote..
 
  • #36
kidi3 said:
I am getting confused.. wasn't F_x i shoud have used..

Exactly, F_x is what you should use. The force that q3 exerts on q1 is

F = kq1q3/r2

The x-component of this force is Fx = Fcosθ. So,

Fx = kq1q3cosθ/r2.

q4 creates the same x-component of force on q1. So, the total force on q1 from q3 and q4 together is

2kq1q3cosθ/r2 ##\;\;\;\;## (in the positive x direction)

q2 creates a force on q1 in the negative x direction of magnitude kq1q2/R2.

So, the net force will be zero if

2kq1q3cosθ/r2 = kq1q2/R2

This leads to

2q3cosθ/r2 = q2/R2

And the error, I really don't understand how there can be a error in the equation i wrote..

Right. That's what we need to determine. So, let's go through the steps for solving the last equation above for R. I suggested what I thought was a good first step; namely, to multiply the equation through by the least common denominator r2R2. If that's not how you want to do it, that's ok. But, can you please show your next step or two in solving for R?
 

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