How to find the acceleration of a ball rolling on ground?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average acceleration of a ball of moist clay that falls and then comes to a stop after contacting the ground. The problem involves concepts from kinematics and dynamics, particularly focusing on the motion of the ball during its fall and subsequent deceleration upon impact with the ground.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of average acceleration using initial and final velocities, questioning the signs of the values involved. There are discussions about the implications of negative acceleration and the interpretation of the motion as the ball transitions from falling to stopping.

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Participants are actively engaging with the calculations and reasoning behind the average acceleration. Some have identified miscalculations and are clarifying the correct interpretation of the values, particularly regarding the direction of acceleration. There is an ongoing exploration of how the acceleration is affected by the change in velocity as the ball comes to rest.

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There are mentions of potential miscalculations and the need to clarify the definitions of velocity and acceleration in the context of the problem. Participants also note that the ball does not roll but squishes upon impact, which may affect the interpretation of the motion.

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Homework Statement


"A ball of moist clay falls 15.0 m to the ground. It is in contact with the ground for 20.0 ms before stopping. (a) What is the magnitude of the average acceleration of the ball during the time it is in contact with the ground? (Treat the ball as a particle.) (b) Is the average acceleration up or down?"

Homework Equations


##x_0=15m##
##x=0m##
##t_2=0.02s##
##v^2=v_0+2a(x-x_0)##
##v=v_0+at##
Answer as given by book: (a) 857 m/s2; (b) up

The Attempt at a Solution


##v^2=2(9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(15m)##
##v_0=0\frac{m}{s}##
##v=17.15\frac{m}{s}##

Next, I treat this as my next initial velocity when the clay rolls on the ground for 0.02 s.

##v_0=17.15\frac{m}{s}##
##v=0\frac{m}{s}##
##t=0.02s##

##0\frac{m}{s}=|17.15\frac{m}{s}|+a(0.02s)##
##a=|\frac{-17.15\frac{m}{s}}{0.02s}|=|-875\frac{m}{s^2}|≠857\frac{m}{s^2}##

Aside from not matching the answer in the book, the sign of the acceleration is negative, which would mean it is going down. Unless I'm mistaken, and the negative acceleration is going up from -875 m\s2 to 0 m\s2... I'm not sure if I'm correct or not, in this assumption, though. Could someone confirm or deny my answer and my assumption?
 
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When you solve v2= some number, what are the possible values of v?
I agree with the 17.15, as a magnitude. Check the next step. (Looks like you dropped a digit.)
 
Oh, I made a miscalculation.

##a=\frac{-17.15\frac{m}{s}}{0.02s}=-857.3\frac{m}{s^2}##
##|a|=857.3\frac{m}{s^2}##

So does that mean that the average acceleration is up, when it rises from -857 m/s2 to 0 m/s2?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Oh, I made a miscalculation.

##a=\frac{-17.15\frac{m}{s}}{0.02s}=-857.3\frac{m}{s^2}##
##|a|=857.3\frac{m}{s^2}##

So does that mean that the average acceleration is up, when it rises from -857 m/s2 to 0 m/s2?
The acceleration does not rise from -857 m/s2 to 0 m/s2.
You did not answer my question about solving for v2.

Edit: by the way, the ball does not roll on the ground, it squishes on the ground.
 
haruspex said:
You did not answer my question about solving for v2.

It's going to be ±17.15 m/s. I also saw that I typed in 17.5 on my calculator; not 17.15.
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
It's going to be ±17.15 m/s.
Right. Which is it here?
 
Negative, because it's going down?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Negative, because it's going down?
Right. So what do you get for the acceleration?
 
-857 m/s2?
 
  • #10
Eclair_de_XII said:
-857 m/s2?
The velocity has gone from negative to zero. Does that make the acceleration positive or negative?
 
  • #11
##a=\frac{v_f-v_i}{t}##
##a=\frac{0-(-17.15\frac{m}{s})}{0.02s}##
##a=857\frac{m}{s^2}##

So positive.
 
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  • #12
But that's only for the initial fall. What about after it touches the ground and squishes?
 
  • #13
Eclair_de_XII said:
But that's only for the initial fall. What about after it touches the ground and squishes?
No, you took the final velocity as zero to get that acceleration. That is the average acceleration while squishing.
 
  • #14
Oh, so...

##v_0=-17.15\frac{m}{s}##
##v=0##
##t=0.02s##

##v=v_0+at##
##a=\frac{17.15\frac{m}{s}}{0.02s}=857\frac{m}{s^2}##
 
  • #15
Eclair_de_XII said:
Oh, so...

##v_0=-17.15\frac{m}{s}##
##v=0##
##t=0.02s##

##v=v_0+at##
##a=\frac{17.15\frac{m}{s}}{0.02s}=857\frac{m}{s^2}##
Yes.
 

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