How to Find the Center of Mass of a Semicircular Sheet Using Polar Coordinates?

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The discussion revolves around finding the center of mass of a uniform semicircular sheet using polar coordinates. The original poster presents the problem context, including the geometry of the semicircle and the relevant integral for calculating the center of mass.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the center of mass in polar coordinates, questioning the necessity of density in the calculations and the interpretation of the area element dA. There are inquiries about the meaning of the integral expressions and the role of r and dr in the area calculation.

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The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on the mathematical expressions and the physical significance of density in the context of uniform materials. Some participants are attempting to understand the implications of density variations on the center of mass, while others are focused on the mathematical setup.

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There is an emphasis on the uniformity of the semicircular sheet, but participants are exploring the implications of varying density in hypothetical scenarios. The original poster expresses uncertainty about starting the problem, indicating a need for foundational understanding of polar coordinates.

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A uniform sheet of metal is cut in the shape of a semicircle of radius R and lies in the xy plane with its center at the origin and diameter lying along the x axis. Find the position of the CM using polar coordinates. (Center of mass).
[In this case the sum that defines the CM position becomes a two-D integral of the form [tex]\int[/tex]r[tex]\sigma[/tex]dA where [tex]\sigma[/tex] denotes the surface mass density (mass/area) of the sheet and dA is the element of area dA= rdrd[tex]\phi[/tex].]


Ok I thought I knew how to start this before I read the bracketed section...
Could I get a hint on starting this with polar coordinates (never done this actually...) and why is the bracketed section even necessary?

Thanks a lot!
 
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so rcenter = [tex]\frac{\int r\sigma dA}{\int \sigma dA}[/tex]

so rcenter = [tex]\frac{\int_0^{\pi}\int_0^r r\sigma rdrd\phi}{\int \sigma dA}[/tex]

similarly phicenter = [tex]\frac{\int \phi\sigma dA}{\int \sigma dA}[/tex]

so phicenter = [tex]\frac{\int_0^{\pi}\int_0^r \phi\sigma rdrd\phi}{\int \sigma dA}[/tex]
 
The first thing I'm not following is why density is needed to find the center..
 
Oblio said:
dA is the element of area dA= rdrd[tex]\phi[/tex].]

Can someone explain what this equation is saying?
Why r AND dr?
 
Oblio said:
The first thing I'm not following is why density is needed to find the center..

center of mass... You don't need the density in this case since the density is uniform... but suppose one part of the semicircle was much denser than the rest... then the center of mass will located closer to that part...
 
Oblio said:
Can someone explain what this equation is saying?
Why r AND dr?

in polar coordinates dA = rdrd[tex]\phi[/tex]... think about it like this for an area dA you need a length times a width... dr is the length... what is the width? it is [tex]rd\phi[/tex]
 

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