Find the center of mass of a plate

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The discussion focuses on finding the center of mass of a plate under two conditions: when it is homogeneous and when its density varies as ##\sigma=Axy##. For part A, the user successfully calculates the center of mass but struggles with part B, particularly with integrating the density function, leading to imaginary numbers. The conversation reveals that the user misinterpreted the integration bounds and the shape of the plate, particularly regarding the parabola's equation. Clarifications emphasize the need to adjust integration limits based on the geometry of the plate and the density function. Ultimately, the user is guided to correctly set up the integrals to avoid errors in calculating the center of mass.
  • #51
haruspex said:
For part A it was not necessary to do a double integral because the density was constant. You could just write down that the mass of the vertical strip on the right was σ(5-(x2+1))dx. That was instead of the integral (∫y=x2+1y=5σ.dy).dx
So I am correct on part A, I just need to correct part B, right?
 
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  • #52
Davidllerenav said:
So I am correct on part A, I just need to correct part B, right?
Your part A is ok.
 
  • #53
haruspex said:
Your part A is ok.
Ok, thanks. And for part B I just need to correct ##Y_{cm}##? Or ##X_{cm}## too?
 
  • #54
Davidllerenav said:
Ok, thanks. And for part B I just need to correct ##Y_{cm}##? Or ##X_{cm}## too?
You need to use double integrals everywhere in part B.
By always doing the y integral first you may avoid the square roots.
 
  • #55
haruspex said:
You need to use double integrals everywhere in part B.
By always doing the y integral first you may avoid the square roots.
What do you mean by doing the y integral first? Why would that make me avoid square roots?
 
  • #56
Davidllerenav said:
What do you mean by doing the y integral first? Why would that make me avoid square roots?
You have a double integral in y and x. You can do either first.
If you do x first it will have a bound that depends on y and involves a square root, so the result of the integral may involve a square root, which then becomes part of the integrand for the second integral.
If you do the y integral first it has bounds that involve x but no square root. The result will be a function of x, which you then need to integrate, but it will not have a square root in the integrand.
If you are feeling energetic you can try it both ways and compare.
 
  • #57
haruspex said:
You have a double integral in y and x. You can do either first.
If you do x first it will have a bound that depends on y and involves a square root, so the result of the integral may involve a square root, which then becomes part of the integrand for the second integral.
If you do the y integral first it has bounds that involve x but no square root. The result will be a function of x, which you then need to integrate, but it will not have a square root in the integrand.
If you are feeling energetic you can try it both ways and compare.
I didn't know I was able to iintegrate double integrals in any order. It's like partial derivatives, right?
 
  • #58
Davidllerenav said:
I didn't know I was able to iintegrate double integrals in any order. It's like partial derivatives, right?
Yes.
 
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