How to Find the Change in Helmholtz Energy for an Isothermal Gas Expansion?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in Helmholtz energy for an isothermal gas expansion using thermodynamic equations. Participants explore the integration of the fundamental equations of thermodynamics, specifically focusing on the Helmholtz energy equation, while addressing the application of the equation of state for a gas under specific conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the fundamental equations of thermodynamics and sets up the problem for calculating the change in Helmholtz energy during isothermal expansion.
  • Another participant suggests substituting the equation of state into the integral for pressure, indicating that the integration should be performed with respect to volume.
  • A later reply acknowledges a realization about expressing pressure in terms of volume, leading to a differential equation for Helmholtz energy.
  • Concerns are raised about the correctness of the integration results, particularly regarding the second term in the expression for Helmholtz energy, prompting a request for verification of the integration process.
  • Participants discuss the integration of the term involving \( \frac{1}{x^2} \), with one participant correcting another about the sign and the resulting expression from the definite integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correctness of the integration steps and results, particularly about the second term in the Helmholtz energy calculation. There is no consensus on the final expression for Helmholtz energy, as participants are still refining their understanding of the integration process.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential issues with the integration steps, including missing signs and the need to clarify the limits of integration. The discussion reflects a reliance on the definitions and assumptions inherent in the equations used.

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Homework Statement



The 4 fundamental equations of thermodynamics are:

dE = TdS - PdV
dH = TdS + VdP
dG = VdP - SdT
dA = - PdV - SdT


Supose a gas obeys the equation of state

P = \frac{nRT}{V} - \frac{an^{2}}{V^{2}}

Use one of the fundamental equations to find the change in Helmholtz energy (A) when one mole of gas expands isothermally from 20 L to 40 L at 300 K. Let a = 0.1 Pa m6 mol-2. (1 L = 10-3 m3).

Homework Equations



Well the four fundamental equations should be a given. In particular, the fourth one for Helmholtz energy dA.

The Attempt at a Solution



Well I tried integrating the fourth fundamental equation

\intdA = -\intPdV -\intSdT

And since the process is isothermal, the last term is zero, and the Helmholtz energy is just the product of the pressure P and the change in volume ΔV.

But how would I obtain the pressure P? My first guess would be to plug in the known values into the equation of state:

P = \frac{nRT}{V} - \frac{an^{2}}{V^{2}}

I'm letting R = 8.314 \frac{Pa m^{3}}{K mol} since that would lead to a dimensionally correct answer in Pa. My problem is what to plug in for volume considering I have two values.
 
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Youngster said:
But how would I obtain the pressure P? My first guess would be to plug in the known values into the equation of state:

P = \frac{nRT}{V} - \frac{an^{2}}{V^{2}}
Yes. But just plug the expression in the integral, substitute the values in the end.

My problem is what to plug in for volume considering I have two values.

Well, what do you think? :rolleyes:

You are integrating with respect to volume. Do you know about definite integrals?
 
Yep! This was actually a very DOH! moment for me.

So I forgot that I can just plug in the equation of state and write P in terms of V.

This leads to the differential equation:
-\intdA = \int\frac{nRT}{V}-\frac{an^{2}}{v^{2}}dV,

from 20L to 40L

This comes out as
nRT ln(\frac{V_{2}}{V_{1}})+\frac{an^{2}}{V_{2}-V_{1}}

And plugging in, I come up with A = -1733.85 Pa m^{3} = -1733.85 J

Does this look good?
 
Youngster said:
This comes out as
nRT ln(\frac{V_{2}}{V_{1}})+\frac{an^{2}}{V_{2}-V_{1}}

I suggest you to check this again. The second part doesn't look correct. What is ##\displaystyle \int \frac{1}{x^2}dx##?
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
I suggest you to check this again. The second part doesn't look correct. What is ##\displaystyle \int \frac{1}{x^2}dx##?

-\int\frac{1}{x}

I understand - From 20L to 40L, the later term should have the difference \frac{1}{V_{2}} - \frac{1}{V_{1}} multiplied by an^{2}
 
Youngster said:
-\int\frac{1}{x}
You mean -1/x?
I understand - From 20L to 40L, the later term should have the difference \frac{1}{V_{2}} - \frac{1}{V_{1}} multiplied by an^{2}
Check again, you missed the minus sign.

When you solve ##\displaystyle \int_a^b \frac{1}{x^2} dx##, you get
$$-\left(\frac{1}{b}-\frac{1}{a}\right)$$
Do you see how?
 

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