How to find the shortest distance to a hyperboloid, etc?

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The discussion revolves around finding the shortest distance between a point and a hyperboloid of two sheets defined by the equation z^2 = x^2 + y^2 + 1. The original poster presents their approach to determining this distance and seeks clarification on identifying all points on the hyperboloid where this distance is achieved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to use a distance function and partial derivatives to find critical points. They express uncertainty about finding all coordinates on the hyperboloid corresponding to the shortest distance. Other participants discuss the implications of having only one critical point and the possibility of additional symmetrical points on the hyperboloid.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring the implications of critical points and symmetry in the context of the hyperboloid. Some guidance has been offered regarding the existence of additional points due to the nature of the hyperboloid, but no consensus has been reached on the final interpretation of these points.

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Participants are considering the implications of the hyperboloid's structure and the nature of critical points in relation to the problem's constraints. There is an acknowledgment of the symmetry of the hyperboloid, which may affect the understanding of the distance problem.

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Consider the hyperboloid of two sheets: z^2=x^2+y^2+1
and a point P(0, 1, 0). Find the shortest distance between the hyperboloid and the point P. Also, find coordinates of all points on the surface for which this distance is attained.

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So, I first used the distance function with the point P.
(x-0)^2+(y-1)^2+(z-0)^2
and this simplified (with the use of the equation z^2=x^2+y^2+1 to:
2x^2+2y^2-2y+3=f(x,y)
I then took the partial derivatives with respects to x and y
fx = 4x
fy = 4y-2

These equal 0 when x = 0 and y = 1/2. This is the ONLY critical point.
I then found the z value with original function so (0, 1/2, sqrt(5)/2) is the point.

I then found the distance to (0,1,0) through subtraction. (0, 1/2, -sqrt(5)/2) = Shortest distance from hyperboloid to point P.

Now I'm pretty sure that this is correct, but how do I go about finding the coordinates of all points on the surface for which the distance is attained? I'm struggling to start here. Any tips on this would be great.
 
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RJLiberator said:
This is the ONLY critical point.
I think you are done.
 
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Interesting. I had this hunch as well. It didn't make sense that there would be more coordinates if that was the only critical point.
In a sense, they were simply testing conceptual understanding with that add-on then.

Let me just clarify my understanding: Since there is only one critical point on the hyperboloid that minimizes the distance in such a way that it becomes the shortest possible distance from the hyperboloid and the point P, then that is all possible points on the surface for which the distance is attained.

Excellent.

Thank you.
 
RJLiberator said:
These equal 0 when x = 0 and y = 1/2. This is the ONLY critical point.
I then found the z value with original function so (0, 1/2, sqrt(5)/2) is the point.
Is that the only z value?
 
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Oi, perhaps +/- sqrt(5)/2 Eh? Yes, that exists because z^2. But then, because that exists that is a second point similar distance to point P.
 
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Oi, perhaps +/- sqrt(5)/2 Eh? Yes, that exists because z^2. But then, because that exists that is a second point similar distance to point P.
Yes. (Picturing it helps. You see the symmetry about the XY plane.)
 
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Yes, I was curious about this as I made a poster for hyperboloids with two sheets and noticed that there should be an opposite point that is symmetrical. Thank you.
 
Oops, good point, I missed the other sheet as well.
 

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