How to find the unknown mass of an object in a 2d collision?

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving two colliding pucks, where one puck's mass is unknown. The conservation of momentum equations are applied to both the x and y components of the collision, but the results yield inconsistent mass values for the second puck, all of which are less than the known mass of the first puck. The user expresses uncertainty about the next steps after drawing vector diagrams and seeks clarification on the calculations. There is a suggestion to verify the accuracy of the initial data provided, as discrepancies in results may indicate transcription errors. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of careful data handling and the application of momentum conservation principles in collision analysis.
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Homework Statement


I have two pucks colliding. PUck 1 has a mass of .545 kg. Puck two has the same puck mass, but also has a weight added onto it. I need to find the mass of puck two.

Velocity before and after for puck 1:
V1i = 2.0m/s[19°Below the Horizontal]
V1f = 3.0m/s[31°Above the Horizontal]

Velocity before and after for puck 2:
V2i = 4.33m/s[19°Above the Horizontal]
V2f = 3.36m/s[16°Below the Horizontal]

Homework Equations



Conservation of momentum:

\vec{Pi} = \vec{Pf}

The Attempt at a Solution

m1\vec{vi} + m2\vec{vi} = m1\vec{vf} + m2\vec{vf}

m1\vec{vf} - m1\vec{vi} = m2\vec{vf} - m2\vec{vi}

m2/m1 = (v1f - v1i)/(v2f-v1i)

Now, I am supposed to draw vector diagrams for this but after that I get stuck. What do I do once I have drawn the vector diagrams for (v1f - v1i) and (v2f-v2i) ? I don't need someone to give me a full solution or anything, I just need some help to continue on the right track. I really appreciate any help!

Here is what I am getting by the vector diagrams by the way:
(v1f - v1i) = 2.3m/s [83° Above the horizontal]
(v1f - v1i) = -2.5m/s [78° Belowthe horizontal]
 
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Hmm. One would expect momentum to be conserved in the collision. In fact, momentum in the x-direction and momentum in the y-direction should be conserved independently. Since you have the vectors for both objects before and after collision, you can write the momentum equations for both components.

When I do so and solve for the mass of the second puck I get different results for that mass from the x and y component equations. Furthermore, both results are LESS than the mass of the puck 1.

I would expect some variation due to experimental error, but the results seem to be a bit wonky even so. Can you check your data to make sure that you transcribed it correctly?
 
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