How to Find the Velocity of Mass 9m at the Bottom?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a lever system with two masses, 4m and 9m, attached to its arms. The lever is initially at rest in a horizontal position, and the task is to find the velocity of the mass 9m when it reaches the bottom of its swing. The context is rooted in the concepts of work and energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of energy and question whether the entire system conserves energy or just part of it. There is also inquiry into the forces acting on the system and whether the support point O does any work.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights regarding the conservation of mechanical energy in the system and clarified that the support does not do work since it does not move. The discussion appears to be progressing with helpful guidance being offered, but there is no explicit consensus on the initial approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the initial conditions of the system being at rest and the potential implications of treating the system as a whole in terms of energy conservation. Participants are also exploring the implications of the lever's ability to rotate freely.

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Homework Statement



A lever of length 3L can rotate freely around a horizontal axis O.
The end of each arm "2L" and "L" of the lever has one mass : "4m" and "9m" , respectively.

Find the velocity of mass "9m" at the bottom.
Consider that the lever was initially at rest in the horizontal position.

Homework Equations


The problem is in a chapter of work and energy, before the conceps of torque and moment of inercia, so i guess that only energy and work can solve this.
But any solution/hint with any method will be welcome.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm trying to apply conservation of energy, but I'm confused if the whole system is conservating energy or only part of it.

I really need a hint of how start this problem or if possible a solution of it.

Thanks in advance!
 

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What forces are acting on the system?
 
I believe that only the gravitational forces are acting on the system "lever+masses". I can't see any other possible force able to do work.
 
clicwar said:
I'm trying to apply conservation of energy, but I'm confused if the whole system is conservating energy or only part of it.
Since everything is connected, treat the system as a whole. How does the mechanical energy change as the system rotates?
 
The mechanical energy of the system as whole is doesn't changing ... right?
(Does the support O of the lever is doing work?) .
 
clicwar said:
The mechanical energy of the system as whole is doesn't changing ... right?
Right.
(Does the support O of the lever is doing work?)
I interpret "rotate freely" as saying that there is no friction, and thus no mechanical energy lost to friction. The support O does no work, since it doesn't move.
 
Doc Al said:
I interpret "rotate freely" as saying that there is no friction, and thus no mechanical energy lost to friction. The support O does no work, since it doesn't move.

Thank you very much for the help DocAl. The sentence quoted above is exactly what i was looking for.
 

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