How to Graph an Electron Orbital?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of graphing electron orbitals, focusing on the mathematical equations and variables involved in representing these orbitals in three-dimensional space. Participants express a desire for detailed explanations of the equations and the underlying concepts from quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how 3D models of electron orbitals are derived from complex equations and requests detailed explanations of the equations and their variables.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding the orbital wavefunction ##\psi(\vec{r})## allows for plotting isosurfaces, indicating that this can be done using various plotting programs.
  • A participant reiterates their request for clarification on the meaning of symbols in the equations and expresses a desire to plot graphs independently.
  • One response suggests that explaining the topic would require extensive lecture time typical of a quantum mechanics course and recommends studying a good quantum mechanics textbook or course notes for foundational understanding.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while the equations may appear complex, they can be simplified to functions of spherical coordinates and quantum numbers, and explains the significance of using the squared magnitude of the wavefunction for visualization.
  • There is a suggestion that introductory modern physics textbooks could also provide the necessary background without delving into full quantum mechanics texts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity of the topic and the need for foundational knowledge in quantum mechanics. However, there is no consensus on the best approach to learning or the specific resources to use, as different participants suggest various textbooks and methods of study.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that understanding the equations requires familiarity with spherical coordinates and quantum numbers, but there is no resolution on the best way to approach learning these concepts. The discussion highlights the varying levels of background knowledge among participants.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those seeking to understand the mathematical representation of electron orbitals and the associated concepts.

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I've been really into electrons and their orbitals for a few months now, but I've never understood how they come up with all of these 3d models from these complicated equations. I would love it if someone could explain in detail the equations and the values of the variables and constants within these equations.
 
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It is not that complicated. Once you know the orbital wavefunction ##\psi(\vec{r})##, you can plot isosurfaces, i.e. the surfaces defined by ##|\psi(\vec{r})|=\mathrm{const.}##. You can do this with almost every plotting program, e.g. gnuplot.
Maybe you can lay hands on this article:
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ed077p785?journalCode=jceda8
 
You misunderstood my question, I was asking what all the symbols mean and I'd like to be able to plot the graphs myself with a given equation. I would like to understand the math.
 
You are suggesting that someone try to explain what would take many hours of lecture in a typical quantum mechanics course. It would be more productive for you to spend some time with a good quantum text like Griffiths or some freely available course notes (http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qmech/Quantum/Quantum.html is a good option). Then, when you have questions about a particular item that is giving you trouble, post again with your questions, but try to make it a little clearer what background you have so that the responders know how best to approach the question in a way that you will understand the answer.
 
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Ryan Reed said:
You misunderstood my question, I was asking what all the symbols mean and I'd like to be able to plot the graphs myself with a given equation. I would like to understand the math.

Although the equations look very complicated, they all come down to something along the lines of ##\psi(r,\theta,\phi)=...## where the stuff on the right-hand side is some function of the three variables ##r##, ##\phi##, ##\theta##, and the quantum numbers ##n##, ##l##, ##m## that define the orbital. So you'll set the values of ##n##, ##l##, and ##m## to whatever is right for your orbital (for example, the simplest one is the s0 orbital with all three equal to zero) and you'll have a function of ##r##, ##\phi##, and ##\theta##,

##r##, ##\phi##, and ##\theta## are just the ordinary spherical coordinates (google for "spherical coordinates" if you don't know what that means) so it's easy enough to draw a picture that indicates the value of a given function of those variables at each point in space. The only trick is that you don't want to show ##\psi(r,\theta,\phi)## in your picture, you want ##\psi^*(r,\theta,\phi)\psi(r,\theta,\phi)##. (If you're not familiar with that ##*## superscript, google for "complex conjugate").

The 3d pictures you've been seeing are drawn by coloring every point where ##\psi^*(r,\theta,\phi)\psi(r,\theta,\phi)## is greater than some threshold value, and leaving that point blank otherwise.

After reading this reply, you might reasonably conclude that there's no substitute for working through a first-year QM textbook. You'd be right.
 
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Nugatory said:
you might reasonably conclude that there's no substitute for working through a first-year QM textbook. You'd be right.

It doesn't have to be a full-blown QM textbook like Griffiths. There are a number of "introductory modern physics" textbooks that are intended to follow directly after a first-year college/university calculus-based introductory physics course (which deals mainly with classical physics). They cover basic concepts of QM like the Schrödinger equation and the wave function Ψ, and lead up to presenting the results for the hydrogen atom orbitals, introducing spherical coordinates along the way. See for example https://www.amazon.com/dp/1118061144/?tag=pfamazon01-20 or https://www.amazon.com/dp/0534493394/?tag=pfamazon01-20.
 
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