Understanding Spin-Orbit Interaction's Impact on Electron Energy Levels

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the spin-orbit interaction and its effects on electron energy levels, exploring theoretical aspects, experimental determinations, and the implications of angular momentum and magnetic fields in quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the role of angular momentum in spin-orbit interaction, questioning if the electron's angular momentum affects the interaction.
  • There are inquiries about how the value of the electron's angular momentum is experimentally determined.
  • Participants debate the existence and value of a magnetic field associated with the electron, with some suggesting it is necessary for understanding the interaction.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the definitions and values of magnetic moments and angular momentum for both orbital and spin contributions.
  • One participant challenges the correctness of the proposed values for magnetic moments and angular momentum, suggesting they do not have the correct units or values.
  • Questions arise about the relationship between the z-component of angular momentum and quantum mechanics, including the implications of the absence of classical orbits in quantum models.
  • There are calculations presented regarding energy differences and magnetic field strengths, with participants questioning the consistency of these values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the values and definitions of angular momentum and magnetic moments, with no consensus reached on several technical points. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the magnetic fields and their implications in quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved definitions of magnetic fields in quantum mechanics, dependencies on specific models, and the complexity of calculating angular momentum and magnetic moments in different contexts.

bobie
Gold Member
Messages
720
Reaction score
2
Fron wiki:
spin–orbit interaction causes shifts in an electron's atomic energy levels due to electromagnetic interaction between the electron's spin and the magnetic field generated by the electron's orbit around the nucleus. This is detectable as a splitting of spectral lines.

The splitting is given by \mu * B (mue* Borbit)

I have a few questions:
1- does the angular momentum of the electron Le play any role in this interaction? (Le - Bo)
2- how is experimentally determined the value of L(e) = 1/2 hbar?
3- is there a magnetic field of the electron Be? if yes , what is its value; if not , how come?
4- if there is /or were a Be, how would this interact with the magnetic field of the orbit Bo? (Be - Bo)

Your help is greatly appreciated
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Yes, the magnetic field responsible for the splitting is due to the orbital moment of the electron. However, the correct calculation of the
splitting is somewhat more complicated as special relativistic effects come into play, namely so calle Thomas precession.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
Thanks, DrDu.

Can anyone answer some questions individually, please?

In question 4 I meant:
- The orbiting (around the nucleus) generates an angular momentum L(o) = \hbar, a magnetic field B(o) = ?, and a magnetic moment \mu(o)= \frac{1}{2}\hbar, is that right?,
- The spinning (around itself) generates a magnetic moment \mu(e) = \frac{1}{2}\hbar an angular momentum L(e) = \frac{1}{2}\hbar , is this right too? ,
now is there a B(e) ?
 
Last edited:
The magnetic moment isn't \mu(e) = \frac{1}{2}\hbar. That doesn't even have correct units. The electron's magnetic dipole moment is given by \boldsymbol{\mu} = g \frac{-e}{2m_e} \mathbf{L}
(BTW the Angular momentum isn't L(e) = \frac{1}{2}\hbar either. it is L(e) = \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\hbar. The z-component of the angular momentum is L_z(e) = \pm \frac{1}{2}\hbar)

You should look up magnetic dipole on an introductory book to find out the shape of a dipole's magnetic field.
 
Last edited:
dauto said:
The electron's magnetic dipole moment is given by \boldsymbol{\mu} = g \frac{-e}{2m_e} \mathbf{L}
Thanks, dauto, I hope you can explain a few things to me:

- why is it necessary to say that Lz(e) is 1/2 the angular momentum of the orbit (Lo=\hbar) and then multiply 1/2 by ≈2 (ge)? do you know why it wasn't reckoned from the beginning that it is about the same?
- when you talk about the z-component of L, are you referring to QM theory? In the classical model the plane of the orbit determines z, but in QM, I gather, there is no orbit, and the spin of the electron is fictitious, so there is no spinning, what is then axis z? if it is arbitrary, then the axis of mu is also arbitrary?
If I may recap
Lz(o)= 1.054*10-34 J*s, Lz(e) = ≈ L(o), L(e) = ≈√3L(o) = 1.825*10-34 J*s,
\mu (γ*L) =1.76*1011*1.8*10-34 =3.2*10-23 J/T
- is this all correct? because here they say:"the splitting of each of them is about 0.016 nm, corresponding to an energy difference of about 0.000045 eV. This corresponds to an internal magnetic field on the electron of about 0.4 Tesla."
Now 0.000045eV= 7.2*10^-24 J and in order to get 0.4T, \mu should be 1.8*10-23J/T. why so?

lastly,
- the value of Lo is different in the various orbits and \hbar is multiplied by n, is the value of Lz (e) always the same = ≈\hbar?
- to get the energy of the split of the fine structure we multiplied \mu * B,
can you tell me in brief what is the magnetic field in QM model, how do you calculate its strength (from the wave equation?) do you get 0.4 T in QM?

Thanks again
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
904
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K