How to Identify Functions in Problems Involving Two Curves

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The discussion revolves around identifying functions in problems involving two curves, specifically when the functions are not explicitly labeled as f(x) or g(x). Participants express difficulties in determining which function corresponds to which label, particularly when the functions are set equal to y in the problem statement.

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  • Participants question how to distinguish between the functions when they are not explicitly named, and some suggest that the order of the curves matters for calculating areas between them. There is also a request for examples to clarify the issue.

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Some participants have offered hints about determining which function is upper or lower based on their shapes and intersection points. There is acknowledgment of the confusion surrounding the labeling of functions and the implications for solving area problems.

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Participants note that the textbook may have conventions regarding which function is designated as f or g, and there is mention of the importance of understanding where the curves intersect to set limits for integration.

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I am trouble with problems that don't list each function f(x) or g(x). The book sets them equal to y. Every time I do these I'm getting them wrong. When I check the solution, I'm mistaking f(x) for g(x) or vise versa. So is there a way to tell which y is f(x) or g(x)?
 
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An example might help be helpful.
 
NIZBIT said:
I am trouble with problems that don't list each function f(x) or g(x). The book sets them equal to y. Every time I do these I'm getting them wrong. When I check the solution, I'm mistaking f(x) for g(x) or vise versa. So is there a way to tell which y is f(x) or g(x)?

I can't say I understood your question, but referring to the title of the thread, the area between two 'well-behaved' functions f and g on the interval [a, b] is given with [tex]\int_{a}^b(f(x)-g(x))dx[/tex], if f(x) >= g(x), for every x from [a, b].
 
Of course, the region "ends" where the two curves cross- that is, they have the same y value for that x value. That's why your book "sets them equal to y"- to determine the y values where they cross and thus the limits of integration.
A little hint- if you area comes out negative, then you have the two curves in the wrong order!
 
This is what I'm talking about:

Find the area between these two curves-
y=x^2-4x+3
y=3+4x-x^2

Now how do you know which is f(x) or g(x)?
 
NIZBIT said:
This is what I'm talking about:

Find the area between these two curves-
y=x^2-4x+3
y=3+4x-x^2

Now how do you know which is f(x) or g(x)?

What? Neither is "f(x)" or "g(x)" until you name them! Call whichever you want f and the other g. It might be that your textbook is using a convention that "f" is always the "upper" curve and "g" is always the "lower" curve so that the area is given by [itex]\int (f(x)- g(x))dx[/itex]. If that is the case, then determine which is above the other. Hint: the first is a parabola opening upward, the second a parabola opening downward. You need to decide which is the "upper" curve and which the "lower" curve. You will also need to determine where they intersect.
 
I swear when I worked that problem out it only worked one way. Off the top of my head I had f(x) switched with what the book said. My way was wrong, but then I switched my f(x) for the books way I got the problem right. Had someone double check my math both times and it was good. Thanks for the help!
 

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