How to integrate by parts when del operator is involved?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration by parts technique when applied to an expression involving the del operator, specifically in the context of calculating work done in an electric field. Participants are exploring how to manipulate the integral involving the divergence of a vector field and a scalar potential function.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral expression for work involving the del operator and seeks clarification on how to derive a specific form using integration by parts.
  • Another participant references a Wikipedia page on integration by parts in higher dimensions, suggesting it may contain relevant information.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to apply the integration by parts formula with the del operator, specifically regarding the choice of 'u' and 'dv'.
  • Another participant provides a variation of the integration by parts formula applicable to vector fields, indicating how to set 'u' and 'v' in this context.
  • One participant challenges the initial question by asking for a demonstration of the integration process, implying that the question may not have been fully thought through.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on how to apply the integration by parts technique with the del operator, as there are differing levels of understanding and approaches presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the application of the integration by parts formula in the context of vector calculus, particularly concerning the treatment of the del operator and the selection of appropriate functions for integration.

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i'm trying to integrate this:

$$W=\frac{ε}{2}\int{\vec{∇}\cdot\vec{E})Vdτ}$$

where ε is a constant, E= -∇V, τ is a volume element

how do i end up with the following via integration by parts?

$$W=\frac{ε}{2}[-\int{\vec{E}\cdot(\vec{∇}V)dτ}+\oint{V\vec{E}\cdot d\vec{a}}$$]

where the vector a is an area element

thanks
 
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I know the formula for integration by parts, i don't know what to do with the del operator.

ie, I don't know what to make my 'u' and 'dv'.
 
^If you know the formula why are you asking?
There are some variations the one you want is

$$\int_{\mathcal{V}} \! k \, (\nabla \cdot \mathbf{A}) \, \mathrm{d}\mathcal{V}=\oint_{\partial \mathcal{V}} \! k \, \mathbf{A} \, \mathrm{d}\mathcal{S}-\int_{\mathcal{V}} \! \mathbf{A} \cdot (\nabla k) \, \mathrm{d}\mathcal{V}
\\ \text{which is like}
\\ \int u \, \mathrm{d}v=u \, v-\int v \, \mathrm{d}u
\\ \text{with}
\\u=k
\\v=\mathbf{A}$$
 
iScience said:
I know the formula for integration by parts, i don't know what to do with the del operator.
I'm sorry, but you did ask:
how do i end up with the following via integration by parts?
... and the answer to that question is to follow the formula for integration by parts. Now you say you know the formula?

Please show us your best attempt using your knowledge of the formula, so that we may better understand the question.
 

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