How to know when an LC circuit hits resonance

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The discussion revolves around understanding resonance in a series LC circuit, including how to calculate resonant frequency and the effects of varying circuit components. Participants explore concepts related to impedance, reactance, and the behavior of the circuit at different frequencies, without reaching a consensus on all points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their circuit setup, including supply voltage, inductor voltage, capacitor voltage, capacitance, and frequency, and expresses confusion about calculating resonant frequency.
  • Another participant suggests varying the drive frequency and using an oscilloscope to observe the LC circuit's behavior to find resonance.
  • Some participants propose that resonance occurs when the supply voltage equals the difference between the inductor and capacitor voltages, though this is questioned by others.
  • One participant calculates the impedance of the capacitor and inductor, leading to questions about the effects of changing capacitance on inductance values.
  • There is discussion about parasitic capacitance in inductors and how it may affect resonance, with inquiries about measuring it.
  • Concerns are raised about the impact of low current on circuit functionality, with references to Ohm's Law and impedance concepts.
  • Participants discuss the definition of resonance, emphasizing phase shift and conditions for resonance in AC circuits, including minimum impedance and zero phase shift.
  • Some participants argue that resonance definitions may vary in more complex circuits compared to simple RLC circuits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of resonance, the methods for determining it, and the implications of circuit parameters. There is no clear consensus on all aspects of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the importance of considering parasitic elements and resistance in calculations, indicating that assumptions about ideal conditions may not hold in practical scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in circuit design, resonance phenomena, and those seeking to understand the behavior of LC circuits in practical applications may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
coolul007 said:
In a series LC circuit, in a parallel circuit it is at minimum at the resonance frequency.
The current through the inductor peaks; the L and C are doing exactly the same think in both cases. This is the problem with using 'simple' terms like series and parallel. The only way to avoid talking at cross purposes is to refer to an annotated diagram.
 
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  • #32
<< Post edited slightly by the Mentors >>

First things first. Buy a good meter you don't need to over pay for a good meter. I bought a nice meter on ebay it came from China and cost me $76 free postage. It reads, inductance, capacitance, ohms, frequency, volts, amps, etc.

Just because a part is marked to be a certain value does not mean it really is. Some parts of 20%, some are 10%, some are 5%, some are 1% value. If your capacitor says 45uf it could be off 20% plus or minus. If you have a collection of parts test the value of 20 or 30 capacitors all marked 45uf see if you can fine 1 that really is 45 uf. You may need to solder several smaller capacitors in parallel to get exactly 45 uf.

Check your coil you need to know its real value. You can hand wind your own coils to get the value you need. You can add or remove turns to a factory made coil to change its value. You can put 2 or more coils in series to get the value that you need.

Once you have parts with the correct value solder them together then use your meter to check the resonance frequency.

There are formulas for finding resonance frequency. You can build a band pass filter or a filter that blocks the target frequency.

Get free TVs on Craigslist they are full of good free electronic parts. Remove the circuit boards and other useful parts then trash the rest. Lots of good aluminum heat sinks, wires, power resistors, capacitors, mosfets, and more.
 
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  • #33
original question was
electricalguy said:
Can anyone teach me how to calculate the resonant frequency.
1/2π√(LC) http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/serres.html

but you have to figure out what are L and C.

sophiecentaur said:
The current through the inductor peaks; the L and C are doing exactly the same think in both cases. This is the problem with using 'simple' terms like series and parallel. The only way to avoid talking at cross purposes is to refer to an annotated diagram.
That's a great point. We tend to take for granted our basics.
My Freshman EE textbook highlighted in bold print:
"The Voltage gain of a series resonant circuit can kill you."
"The Current gain of a parallel resonant circuit can kill you."

Those gains will be Q , which equals ratio X / R .
So if OP is studying a real circuit he needs to find both its reactance and its resistance.

I was relieved to see he's exciting it with a signal generator not his wall socket. A fellow can get hurt.

old jim
 
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