How to make another interpretation of curl ?

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The discussion revolves around the physical interpretation of "curl" in vector calculus, exploring alternative annotations and conceptual understandings beyond the common association with fluid flow. Participants express a desire for deeper insights into vector calculus and its applications.

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  • One participant questions the common interpretation of curl as related to fluid flow and seeks alternative annotations for better understanding.
  • Another participant raises specific questions about the definition of curl, particularly regarding the necessity of taking the maximum in line integrals and the process of minimizing Δ until it approaches zero.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to Schey's book, which provides an intuitive understanding of curl as related to the behavior of a paddle-wheel in a force field, indicating that curl represents the rate of rotation of the field.
  • One participant notes that while there are other notations, they may not pertain to vector calculus, implying a desire for a more intuitive grasp rather than just equations.

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Participants express varying interpretations and questions about the concept of curl, indicating that multiple views remain and the discussion is not resolved.

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How to make another interpretation of "curl"?

Recently,I've tried hard to find the physical interpretation of "curl".

But , most of what I found were the same ,that is,"fluid flow"!

I'm now wondering whether there's another annotation so that I can learn more about vecor calculus.

PS.Is there any website which has materials about "vector calculus"?
 
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Question about the definition of "curl"

Most books I read gave the definition of curl over a vector field [tex]\vec{A}[/tex] is

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node24.html"

There came 2 questions:

a. Why we have to take the max in the line integral?

b. Why we have to minimize [tex]\Delta[/tex]s until it approaches to zero ? How to explain it ?
 
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Try Schey's little book "div, grad, curl, and all that". Intuitively, if a vector field is interpreted as a force field, imagine placing a little paddle-wheel in it. The curl tells you relatively how fast your wheel should be spinning due to the vectors pushing in a circular motion about it ("curl" used to be known as "rotation" or "rot(X)" for short). From this, it is obvious that the curl of a constant field is everywhere 0. Also see http://betterexplained.com/articles/vector-calculus-understanding-circulation-and-curl/ .
 


slider142 said:
Try Schey's little book "div, grad, curl, and all that". Intuitively, if a vector field is interpreted as a force field, imagine placing a little paddle-wheel in it. The curl tells you relatively how fast your wheel should be spinning due to the vectors pushing in a circular motion about it ("curl" used to be known as "rotation" or "rot(X)" for short). From this, it is obvious that the curl of a constant field is everywhere 0. Also see http://betterexplained.com/articles/vector-calculus-understanding-circulation-and-curl/ .

Thanks!

After I read the article you post , I can now realize the meaning (or the property) of "curl" more clearly.

:smile:
 


abcdefg10645 said:
I'm now wondering whether there's another annotation so that I can learn more about vecor calculus.

There are other notations, but it's not vector calculus anymore. But I take it, you want more of a feel for it, than more equations.
 

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