How To Propogate Uncertainties (Angle of Incidence and Angle of Reflection)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the propagation of uncertainties in measurements, specifically related to the angle of incidence and angle of reflection in a physics experiment. Participants explore different methods for calculating uncertainties associated with trigonometric functions, particularly the sine function.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experimental scenario where they need to propagate uncertainty for the sine of an angle, asking for guidance on the method.
  • Another participant confirms that the method of calculating uncertainty by evaluating sine at angles slightly above and below the target angle is valid.
  • A different participant suggests using the Taylor Series for a more rigorous mathematical approach to uncertainty propagation, emphasizing the importance of considering higher-order terms based on the required accuracy.
  • One participant mentions a preference for a specific equation, referred to as Eldudrino's equation, indicating a desire for a particular method of uncertainty propagation.
  • Another participant recommends following the guidelines set by the GUM (Guide to the Expression of Uncertainty in Measurement) for a standardized approach to uncertainty propagation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for propagating uncertainties, with some favoring empirical approaches while others advocate for more rigorous mathematical frameworks. No consensus is reached on a single method as the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different methodologies for uncertainty propagation, highlighting the potential for varying accuracy based on the chosen method. The discussion does not resolve which method is most appropriate for the specific experimental context.

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Hello fellow physicists :)

I have recently done an experiment and am trying to propagate the uncertainty. Unfortuantely, I haven't done that in years, and need to remember how its done.
For example:

When theta= 20 (+-2)

I want to find sin20 and the uncertainty:

sin20=0.34 (+-?)

How can I find the uncertainty? Do I do this?

sin18=0.31

sin 22=0.37

And subsequently : sin20=0.34 (+-0.03)?

Is this method correct? If not please advise me as to how I should propagate the uncertainties.

Thanks in advance,

FS
 
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Yes, that's a valid method. I use it often myself.
 
If you want a rigorously mathematical and more accurate approach, I would recommend using the Taylor Series.

suppose you know the uncertainty in x to be [tex]\delta x[/tex]
you use the taylor expansion of f( x+[tex]\delta x[/tex] ), ignoring terms [tex]O(\delta x^n)[/tex] and higher, you would get the uncertainty in your function(n would depend on the accuracy you need). In your case the variable is theta and the function is the sine function.

suppose you are calculating the error in the neighbourhood of "a":

[tex] f(a)+\frac {f'(a)}{1!} \delta x + \frac{f''(a)}{2!} \delta x^2+\frac{f^{(3)}(a)}{3!}(\delta x^3)+ \cdots [/tex]
 
Thanks both, I was looking for something more like Eldudrino's equation and I will be using it.

Cheers!

FS
 
elduderino said:
If you want a rigorously mathematical and more accurate approach

Actually, if you want to be very rigourous you should be using whatever mathod is recommended in GUM for you particual situation since you are then following the international standard (you should be a be able to find the GUM as a PDF file if you google ISO GUM, I think there is even a wiki).

GUM is actually quite good as a "howto" manual for cases like this.
 

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