How to Prove contracted Bianchi Identity

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The discussion centers on the proof of the contracted Bianchi identity, specifically the expression g^{im} \nabla_{\partial_j}R_{ilkm} = \nabla_{\partial_j}R_{lk}. Participants explore the implications of metric compatibility and the behavior of covariant derivatives with respect to contraction.

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  • Some participants question how the contraction can pass through the covariant derivative, indicating a need for clarification on this process.
  • One participant suggests that since derivatives and finite sums commute, this might provide insight into the contraction process.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of metric compatibility, noting that \nabla_a g_{bc} = 0, but raises concerns about how this affects the contraction of the Riemann tensor.
  • A later reply asserts that the expression can be rewritten using the Leibniz rule, leading to the conclusion that the contraction holds under the condition of metric compatibility.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the mechanics of contraction through covariant derivatives, with some agreeing on the principle of metric compatibility while differing on its implications for the proof.

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Participants highlight the dependence on definitions related to metric compatibility and the properties of covariant derivatives, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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How to prove
g^{im}<br /> \nabla_{\partial_j}R_{ilkm}=\nabla_{\partial_j}R_{lk}.

of cause g^{im}R_{ilkm}=R_{lk}, but I don't know how the contraction can pass through the covariant derivative?
 
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jojoo said:
How to prove
g^{im}<br /> \nabla_{\partial_j}R_{ilkm}=\nabla_{\partial_j}R_{lk}.

of cause g^{im}R_{ilkm}=R_{lk}, but I don't know how the contraction can pass through the covariant derivative?
Because derivatives and (finite) sums commute. e.g.

<br /> \frac{d}{dx} \sum_{i = a}^b f_i(x) = \sum_{i = a}^b \frac{df_i}{dx}(x)<br />
 
jojoo said:
...but I don't know how the contraction can pass through the covariant derivative?

The derivative operator is usually taken to be "metric compatible", i.e.,
\nabla_a g_{bc}=0.
 
robphy said:
The derivative operator is usually taken to be "metric compatible", i.e.,
\nabla_a g_{bc}=0.

Yes, I know that. But \nabla_{\partial_j}R_{ilkm}=(\nabla_{\partial_j}R)(\partial_i,\partial_l,\partial_k,\partial_m) How can the contraction really happen?(since \nabla_a g_{bc}=0 means (\nabla_a g)(\partial_b,\partial_c)=0)
Would you like to give me more detail? Thank you!
 
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This is OT, but George Jones just pointed out that today's issue of the daily paper in Toronto featured a picture of the uncontracted Bianchi identities. For some reason a politician is in the foreground.

Industrious students can look for papers pointing out that Bianchi himself credited these identities to someone else.
 
g^{im}\nabla_{\partial_j}R_{ilkm}=\nabla_{\partial_j}(g^{im}R_{ilkm}) - R_{ilkm}\nabla_{\partial_j}g^{im}=\nabla_{\partial_j}R_{ lk}

because \nabla_a g_{bc}=0

it respects the Leibniz derivation
 
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