Bianchi and Ricci Identities: Understanding and Applying in Tensor Calculus

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The discussion revolves around the Bianchi and Ricci identities within the context of tensor calculus. Participants are exploring the implications and applications of these identities in relation to curvature tensors and their properties.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to manipulate the Bianchi identity and Ricci tensor definitions to simplify expressions. There are discussions about the skew symmetry of the curvature tensor and the implications of free indices in the equations presented.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the mathematical expressions, questioning the correctness of terms and suggesting potential simplifications. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the terms, with some participants offering insights into local coordinate systems that may aid in the analysis.

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Some participants note the importance of local coordinates where certain Christoffel symbols vanish, which may influence the approach to the problem. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by free indices in the equations being discussed.

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Homework Statement
To prove ##{\nabla_a R_{bcd}}^a + \nabla_b R_{cd} - \nabla_c R_{bd}##
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Start with the Bianchi identity,$${\nabla_{[a} R_{bc]d}}^e = 0$$$${\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^e - {\nabla_{a} R_{cbd}}^e + {\nabla_{b} R_{cad}}^e - {\nabla_{b} R_{acd}}^e + {\nabla_{c} R_{abd}}^e - {\nabla_{c} R_{bad}}^e = 0$$Use definition of Ricci tensor$$

\left[ {\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^e + \nabla_b R_{cd} - \nabla_c R_{bd} \right] + \left[ {\nabla_c R_{abd}}^e - {\nabla_a R_{cbd}}^e - {\nabla_b R_{acd}}^e \right] = 0

$$How to proceed from here? Thanks
 
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etotheipi said:
$${\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^e - {\nabla_{a} R_{cbd}}^e + {\nabla_{b} R_{cad}}^e - {\nabla_{b} R_{acd}}^e + {\nabla_{c} R_{abd}}^e - {\nabla_{c} R_{bad}}^e = 0$$
You should be able to reduce the left side to just 3 terms by using the "skew symmetry" of the curvature tensor.

$$\left[ {\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^e + \nabla_b R_{cd} - \nabla_c R_{bd} \right] + \left[ {\nabla_c R_{abd}}^e - {\nabla_a R_{cbd}}^e - {\nabla_b R_{acd}}^e \right] = 0$$
You can see something's wrong here. Some of the terms have an index ##e## while other terms don't.
 
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Thanks! What about,$${\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^e - {\nabla_{a} R_{cbd}}^e + {\nabla_{b} R_{cad}}^e - {\nabla_{b} R_{acd}}^e + {\nabla_{c} R_{abd}}^e - {\nabla_{c} R_{bad}}^e = 0$$ $${\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^e + {\nabla_{b} R_{cad}}^e - {\nabla_{c} R_{bad}}^e = 0
$$Since ##a## and ##e## are free indices, we can choose to let ##a = e##, and sum over all ##a## [I'll write in the sum explicitly, and not use the convention here]$$\sum_a \left[ {\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^a + {\nabla_{b} R_{cad}}^a - {\nabla_{c} R_{bad}}^a \right] = 0$$Those final two terms we can contract over ##a##,$$\sum_a \left[ {\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^a \right] + \nabla_b R_{cd} - \nabla_c R_{bd} = 0$$
 
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for such problems it turns to be convenient to take into account that in a neighborhood of any point ##x'## there are local coordinates such that ##\Gamma_{ij}^k(x')=0##. This holds provided ##\Gamma_{ij}^k=\Gamma_{ji}^k##
 
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etotheipi said:
Thanks! What about,$${\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^e - {\nabla_{a} R_{cbd}}^e + {\nabla_{b} R_{cad}}^e - {\nabla_{b} R_{acd}}^e + {\nabla_{c} R_{abd}}^e - {\nabla_{c} R_{bad}}^e = 0$$ $${\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^e + {\nabla_{b} R_{cad}}^e - {\nabla_{c} R_{bad}}^e = 0
$$Since ##a## and ##e## are free indices, we can choose to let ##a = e##, and sum over all ##a## [I'll write in the sum explicitly, and not use the convention here]$$\sum_a \left[ {\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^a + {\nabla_{b} R_{cad}}^a - {\nabla_{c} R_{bad}}^a \right] = 0$$Those final two terms we can contract over ##a##,$$\sum_a \left[ {\nabla_{a} R_{bcd}}^a \right] + \nabla_b R_{cd} - \nabla_c R_{bd} = 0$$
Looks good to me
 
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