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The discussion revolves around proving limits related to a differentiable function f and its derivatives at a point x0. The specific limits to be proven involve the behavior of f as h approaches 0, particularly focusing on the second derivative f''(x0) and the parameter θ that depends on h.

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  • Participants explore the application of L'Hopital's rule to evaluate the limits, questioning the validity of certain algebraic manipulations and the differentiability of θ.
  • There is discussion about the correct formulation of the limit expressions and whether the assumptions about the differentiability of θ are sufficient for the proofs.
  • Some participants suggest using ε-δ arguments as an alternative to L'Hopital's rule, while others express uncertainty about the implications of the differentiability of θ.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but several productive lines of inquiry have been suggested, particularly regarding the limits and the application of L'Hopital's rule.

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Participants note the challenge of proving the limit of θ as h approaches 0, with some expressing doubt about whether the information provided is sufficient for a conclusive proof.

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Homework Statement


Let f : (a, b) → R be a differentiable function and x0 ∈ (a, b). For any h > 0 small, there
exists θ ∈ (0, 1), depending on h, such that
f(x0 + h) = f(x0) + hf'(x0 + θh).

If f is twice differentiable at x0 with f''(x0) != 0, prove that
(a) lim h→0 (f(x0 + h) − f(x0) − f'(x0)h)/h2=(1/2)*f''(x0)
(b) lim h→0 θ =1/2

Homework Equations


lim h→0 (f(c+h)-f(c))/h = f'(c)
L'Hopital's rule

The Attempt at a Solution


For (a),
lim h→0 (f(x0 + h) − f(x0) − f'(x0)h)/h2
=lim h→0 (hf'(x0 + θh)-h*f'(x0))/(h2)
=lim h→0 (f'(x0+θh)-f'(x0))/(2h)
I have no idea what I should do in the next step because the denominator is not θh.Or did I make any mistake in my steps?
 
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Windows_xp said:

Homework Statement


Let f : (a, b) → R be a differentiable function and x0 ∈ (a, b). For any h > 0 small, there
exists θ ∈ (0, 1), depending on h, such that
f(x0 + h) = f(x0) + hf'(x0 + θh).

If f is twice differentiable at x0 with f''(x0) != 0, prove that
(a) lim h→0 (f(x0 + h) − f(x0) − f'(x0)h)/h2=(1/2)*f''(x0)
(b) lim h→0 θ =1/2

Homework Equations


lim h→0 (f(c+h)-f(c))/h = f'(c)
L'Hopital's rule

The Attempt at a Solution


For (a),
lim h→0 (f(x0 + h) − f(x0) − f'(x0)h)/h2
=lim h→0 (hf'(x0 + θh)-h*f'(x0))/(h2)
=lim h→0 (f'(x0+θh)-f'(x0))/(2h)
I have no idea what I should do in the next step because the denominator is not θh.Or did I make any mistake in my steps?

If you're allowed (and it looks like you are) I would use L'Hopital for (a) and then use that result from along with work similar to that which you've done to get (b).

There is a slight error in you work; the last line should be $$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f'(x_0+\theta h)-f'(x_0)}{h}.$$ I'm not sure how you got the 2 in the denominator.

Also note that, since ##\theta## is nonzero, $$\frac{f'(x_0+\theta h)-f'(x_0)}{h}=\theta\cdot\frac{f'(x_0+\theta h)-f'(x_0)}{\theta h}.$$

Edit: L'Hopital is not needed for (a); you could get the job done using a fairly straightforward ##\epsilon##-##\delta## argument. But it's much easier to just use l'Hopital if it's available. You might need to justify why you're allowed to use it (i.e. saying more than just 0/0) depending on how much of a stickler the grader is for that kind of thing.

Edit 2: The work that you've done is useful, but I would use it for part (b) rather than part (a). In my opinion, part (a) is more easily done without using the fact that ##f(x_0+h)=f(x_0)+f'(x_0+\theta h)h##.
 
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gopher_p said:
If you're allowed (and it looks like you are) I would use L'Hopital for (a) and then use that result from along with work similar to that which you've done to get (b).

There is a slight error in you work; the last line should be $$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f'(x_0+\theta h)-f'(x_0)}{h}.$$ I'm not sure how you got the 2 in the denominator.

Also note that, since ##\theta## is nonzero, $$\frac{f'(x_0+\theta h)-f'(x_0)}{h}=\theta\cdot\frac{f'(x_0+\theta h)-f'(x_0)}{\theta h}.$$

Edit: L'Hopital is not needed for (a); you could get the job done using a fairly straightforward ##\epsilon##-##\delta## argument. But it's much easier to just use l'Hopital if it's available. You might need to justify why you're allowed to use it (i.e. saying more than just 0/0) depending on how much of a stickler the grader is for that kind of thing.

The problem with l'hopital is that the numerator is [itex]f'(x_0 + \theta(h)h) - f'(x_0)[/itex] and we don't know that [itex]\theta[/itex] is differentiable in some punctured open neighbourood of [itex]0[/itex].
 
pasmith said:
The problem with l'hopital is that the numerator is [itex]f'(x_0 + \theta(h)h) - f'(x_0)[/itex] and we don't know that [itex]\theta[/itex] is differentiable in some punctured open neighbourood of [itex]0[/itex].

Sorry for the confusion. I intend for l'Hopital to be applied immediately to $$\lim_{h\rightarrow0}\frac{f(x_0+h)-f(x_0)-f'(x_0)h}{h^2}$$ without any algebraic rearrangement or use of the fact that ##f(x_0+h)-f(x_0)=hf'(x_0+\theta h)##. The only difficulty here is showing that ##g(h)=f(x_0+h)## is differentiable in a neighborhood of ##0##. It's true, but it's not trivial. I would put it somewhere in the realm of not-hard-to-show-but-worth-mentioning.
 
Windows_xp said:

Homework Statement


Let f : (a, b) → R be a differentiable function and x0 ∈ (a, b). For any h > 0 small, there
exists θ ∈ (0, 1), depending on h, such that
f(x0 + h) = f(x0) + hf'(x0 + θh).

If f is twice differentiable at x0 with f''(x0) != 0, prove that
(a) lim h→0 (f(x0 + h) − f(x0) − f'(x0)h)/h2=(1/2)*f''(x0)
(b) lim h→0 θ =1/2

Homework Equations


lim h→0 (f(c+h)-f(c))/h = f'(c)
L'Hopital's rule

The Attempt at a Solution


For (a),
lim h→0 (f(x0 + h) − f(x0) − f'(x0)h)/h2
=lim h→0 (hf'(x0 + θh)-h*f'(x0))/(h2)
=lim h→0 (f'(x0+θh)-f'(x0))/(2h)
I have no idea what I should do in the next step because the denominator is not θh.Or did I make any mistake in my steps?

For part (a), you should try l'hopital's rule directly for the left side of the equation. For part (b), you can use your first attempt's last line and do the trick: multiply by [itex]\theta / \theta[/itex] like gopher_p mentioned and use the fact that [itex]f''(x_0) \neq 0[/itex] to show (b) (you need this fact because [itex]\theta[/itex] is a function of [itex]h[/itex]).

gopher_p said:
Sorry for the confusion. I intend for l'Hopital to be applied immediately to $$\lim_{h\rightarrow0}\frac{f(x_0+h)-f(x_0)-f'(x_0)h}{h^2}$$ without any algebraic rearrangement or use of the fact that ##f(x_0+h)-f(x_0)=hf'(x_0+\theta h)##. The only difficulty here is showing that ##g(h)=f(x_0+h)## is differentiable in a neighborhood of ##0##. It's true, but it's not trivial. I would put it somewhere in the realm of not-hard-to-show-but-worth-mentioning.

It is a trivial application of the chain rule with a certain restriction on [itex]h[/itex] (exercise).
 
Actually, I'm not even sure if (b) can be proven with the info given because proving that the limit of [itex]\theta[/itex] as [itex]h[/itex] goes to 0 might be a problem. You can at least say: if the limit of [itex]\theta[/itex] exists, it is 1/2.
 

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