How to prove trace(A.A*) is positive

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving that the trace of the product of a matrix A and its conjugate transpose A* is positive. Participants explore the implications of complex numbers in the matrix and the properties of the trace in relation to linear algebra concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to handle the imaginary part of A when considering the trace of A.A* and expresses confusion about the nature of complex numbers in this context.
  • Another participant clarifies that the diagonal entries of AA* are real and notes that one cannot compare complex numbers in terms of positivity, suggesting that the trace of AA* is nonnegative rather than strictly positive.
  • A different participant suggests relating the singular values of AA* to the trace being positive, indicating a connection to linear algebra principles.
  • Another participant provides the formula for the trace of AA* and prompts for clarification on the definition of A*.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the positivity of the trace, with some suggesting it can be zero, while others focus on the conditions under which it may be considered positive or nonnegative. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the proof of positivity.

Contextual Notes

There is an acknowledgment that the trace of AA* can be zero, which complicates the assertion of positivity. Additionally, the discussion highlights the need for clarity on definitions and properties related to complex matrices.

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Hello

I'd like to know how to prove that the trace of A.A* is positive.
I don't really know how to handle the imaginary part of it. If A has any complex number in it, is it possible to get traces like 10-2i? If yes, do I consider it as a positive number or negative?:zzz:

Thanks in advance
 
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First of all, the diagonal entries of AA* are real. You can't really compare two compex numbers like that as there is no order on C.

Now, what does the (i,j)-th entry of AA* look like? What about the (i,i)-th entry?

(Side note: tr(AA*) isn't always positive - it can be zero. So a better thing would be to say that it's nonnegative.)
 
devoured_elysium said:
I'd like to know how to prove that the trace of A.A* is positive.

My sketchy knowledge about linear algebra tells me that you would have to relate the nature of the singular values of AA* to its trace being positive.
 
That would not be a very easy way of doing this question. The trace of (AA*) is

[tex]\sum_{i,j} A_{ij}(A^*)_{ji}[/tex]

What is the definition of A*?
 
Ah yes, thank you for the note.
 

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