How to show a set has measure zero?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around methods for demonstrating that certain sets in Rn have measure zero. Participants explore various approaches, including the use of countable covers with total volume less than epsilon, and specific examples to illustrate their points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding measures and seeks simpler methods to show that sets have measure zero.
  • Another participant suggests that the method of using countable covers is generally the only approach, offering to provide simpler methods if specific sets are shared.
  • A participant presents the specific case of Rn-1 x {0} and indicates that it can be shown to have measure zero using epsilon neighborhoods.
  • Another participant expands on this by proposing an open cover formulation involving an enumeration of rational points, claiming it provides a cover with total measure less than or equal to epsilon.
  • A different approach is mentioned, utilizing a countable union of sets of measure zero to demonstrate that Rn-1 x {0} has measure zero.
  • One participant acknowledges that the previously mentioned method also works and expresses an improved understanding after further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of using countable covers to show measure zero, but there are multiple approaches discussed without a consensus on a single method being superior.

Contextual Notes

Some methods rely on specific properties of sets and may depend on the definitions of measure and open covers, which could introduce limitations in their applicability.

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I'm not completely familiar with measures yet, but am trying to be. I'm trying to show a that a few sets in Rn have measure zero and am having difficulty showing this using countable covers with a total volume less than [tex]\epsilon[/tex]. Is there an easier way to show that a set has measure zero? If it's needed, I could give the problems that I'm working with. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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The method you mention is really the only general one. If you give the specific sets you're working with I may be able to give a simpler method in that specific situation.
 
Show that Rn-1 x {0} has measure zero in Rn.

This is one of the ones I'm working on.
 
Matthollyw00d said:
Show that Rn-1 x {0} has measure zero in Rn.

This is one of the ones I'm working on.

This one is easy using epsilon neighborhoods.
 
I'll expand on wofsy's comment a bit. You do use the open cover formulation on this one. Let [tex]\{ q_k \}_{ k = 1 }^\infty[/tex] be an enumeration of [tex]\mathbb{Q} \times \{ 0 \}[/tex]. Show that if [tex]\varepsilon > 0[/tex], [tex]\left \{ ( q_k - \frac{ 1 }{ 2 }, q_k + \frac{ 1 }{ 2 } ) \times ( -\varepsilon\ 2^{ - ( k + 1 ) }, \varepsilon\ 2^{ - ( k + 1 ) } ) \right \}_{ k = 1 }^\infty[/tex] is an open cover of [tex]\mathbb{ R } \times \{ 0 \}[/tex] with total measure less than or equal to [tex]\varepsilon[/tex].

EDIT: This proof works for showing that [tex]\mathbb{ R } \times \{ 0 \} \subset \mathbb{ R }^2[/tex] has measure zero. The [tex]n > 2[/tex] case is a straightforward generalization.
 
The way I did it earlier used
[tex]\bigcup[/tex]n=1[tex]\infty[/tex] [-n,n]n-1x{0} which is a countable cover of Rn-1x{0}. Then using the fact that a countable union of sets of measure zero also has measure zero, you can show that each set has measure zero and the rest follows. After reading a bit on it today, I feel like I have a much better understanding of it now.
 
That works too.
 

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