How to show an equation with n'th number of iterations

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The problem involves determining the velocity of the n'th object relative to an original observer, given a scenario where multiple objects are moving away from each other at a constant speed. The context is rooted in the principles of relativistic velocity addition.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the mathematical representation of velocity addition and the challenges in deriving a formula for large n. There is mention of substituting values into the velocity addition formula and exploring the behavior as n increases.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested using rapidities as an alternative approach, while others express uncertainty about their familiarity with this concept. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in combining velocities and a search for a closed form expression.

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Participants note that rapidities have not been covered in their coursework, which may limit their ability to use this method for the problem. There is also a reference to a specific equation derived from k calculus that is central to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


An observer measures an object moving away at speed v=0,75, an observer on that object measures another object moving away in the same direction with the same speed relative to it and this is repeated n times. Find the velocity of the n'th object relative to the first.

I didnt post in the physics section, as its just the maths that is the tricky part. Showing this formula for n objects, when each object relies on the same equation for the previous object etc.

Homework Equations


w = u+v / (1 + uv) derived from k calculus

The Attempt at a Solution


I have understand and have sorted out the physics in this, but am unsure of how to show the answer mathematically. For large n, g => 1.

g = (a+b) / (1+ab) , where g) is the velocity of the n'th object relative to the original observer.
b) is the velocity of the last (n'th) object relative to the previous, a) is the previous object velocity relative to the one before it, all the way back to the original.
In a few steps I keep subbing in this equation into it self, and while I can show it works for small n, It am unsure of how to show this mathematically for large n.
 
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I recall something like =(a+b)(1-ab+(ab)^2 - (ab)^3+...
 
vmr101 said:

Homework Statement


An observer measures an object moving away at speed v=0,75, an observer on that object measures another object moving away in the same direction with the same speed relative to it and this is repeated n times. Find the velocity of the n'th object relative to the first.

I didnt post in the physics section, as its just the maths that is the tricky part. Showing this formula for n objects, when each object relies on the same equation for the previous object etc.

Homework Equations


w = u+v / (1 + uv) derived from k calculus

The Attempt at a Solution


I have understand and have sorted out the physics in this, but am unsure of how to show the answer mathematically. For large n, g => 1.

g = (a+b) / (1+ab) , where g) is the velocity of the n'th object relative to the original observer.
b) is the velocity of the last (n'th) object relative to the previous, a) is the previous object velocity relative to the one before it, all the way back to the original.
In a few steps I keep subbing in this equation into it self, and while I can show it works for small n, It am unsure of how to show this mathematically for large n.

Look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity-addition_formula at rapidities. Combining velocities gets complicated. Adding rapidities is easy, they just add. Give an expression using hyperbolic tangents.
 
I had a look at rapidities but we haven't gone through them so I don't think that's how they want us to show this.
Any other advice?
 
vmr101 said:
I had a look at rapidities but we haven't gone through them so I don't think that's how they want us to show this.
Any other advice?

I guess I don't know any other closed form to express the answer in. Rapidities are easy.
 
I read up on the rapidities and i can make it work :) Thanks Dick.
 
vmr101 said:
I read up on the rapidities and i can make it work :) Thanks Dick.

Good for you. I knew you'd like the solution when you figured it out.
 
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