How to show that this is divergent?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the infinite sum of the expression (n+2)^(1/2) - n^(1/2). The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to demonstrate that the series is divergent, mentioning that the ratio test has not been helpful and that they are struggling to find a suitable comparison.

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  • Participants explore the concept of telescoping sums and suggest substituting values to observe cancellations. There is a discussion about the test for divergence and whether the terms approach zero. Some participants mention using the comparison test with known divergent series.

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The conversation is active, with various participants offering different perspectives on how to approach the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of telescoping series and comparison tests, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to demonstrate divergence.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of series convergence, including the implications of regrouping terms and the behavior of the series as n approaches infinity. There are references to specific tests and methods, but no definitive resolution has been reached.

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Basically i have got the infinite sum of
(n+2)1/2-n1/2

and i think it is divergent ( I hope) but i have no idea how to show it, the ratio test is not helpful and i cannot find anything to compare it with.

Thanks in advance.
 
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It looks like a telescoping sum, so you can try to sub in some numbers and see what cancels out and what does not until a final value N and then take the limit as N→∞.
 
Ok thanks but.. What is a telescoping sum?
 
stukbv said:
Ok thanks but.. What is a telescoping sum?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescoping_series"

It is essential using the fact that if you need to sum something, terms can cancel out to simplify the sum. The wiki article explains it better than I can with its example.
 
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Thanks! :)
 
Why can't you just use the test for divergence? Doesn't it go to infinity immediately?
 
flyingpig said:
Why can't you just use the test for divergence? Doesn't it go to infinity immediately?

No. sqrt(n+2)-sqrt(n) is positive and approaches zero. So the series is sum of positive terms that go to zero. Is the sum of (n+1/2^n)-n divergent? stukbv could also have multiplied by the conjugate in the numerator and denominator and used a comparison with a p-series to show it's divergent. It is a delicate point. Regrouping a divergent series can make it converge. 1-1+1-1+1-1+... diverges. (1-1)+(1-1)+(1-1)+... converges. You can't just split stuff and move it around like in a finite sum.
 
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Multiply and divide by
(n+2)^{\frac{1}{2}}+n^{\frac{1}{2}}

After simplification you will get,

\frac{2}{n^{\frac{1}{2}}[1+(1+\frac{2}{n})]}

Now use the comparision test, by comparing with \sum \frac{1}{n^{\frac{1}{2}}} which diverges by P-test.
 
If you want to use telescoping series, you'll find that the nth partial sum is -1+(n+1)^(1/2)+(n)^(1/2) which diverges to infty.
 

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