How to Solve a Derivative Presented in a Non-Standard Format?

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of a function presented in a non-standard format, specifically involving trigonometric functions and variables treated as constants. The subject area is calculus, focusing on derivatives and partial derivatives.

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  • Participants discuss the correct interpretation of the function and the treatment of variables as constants. There are questions about the proper notation and the implications of treating certain variables as constants in the context of differentiation.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the function's format and notation. Some participants offer guidance on how to clarify the function's representation, while others point out potential errors in the original poster's approach to differentiation. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method, but several productive suggestions have been made regarding notation and the need for clarity.

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Participants note issues with the original poster's document format and the challenges of communicating mathematical expressions clearly without standard formatting tools like LaTeX. There is also mention of a related thread that may contain further context or information.

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I've submitted a similar thread previously but messed it all up so here's a second try. The objective is to find the first and second partial derivative of the function z = tan x^2*y^2
Relevant Equations
tan x^2*y^2 = (sin x^2*y^2)/(cos x^2*y^2)
quotient rule: if z= f/g, z' = (f'*g - f*g')/g^2
I have attached a word document demonstrating the working out cos i was too lazy to learn how Latex primer works and writing it like I did above would've been too hard too read. I tried to make it as understandable as possible, presenting fractions as
' a ' instead of ' a / b ' .
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I was able to open the Word document, but your work starts off with an error.
From the Word doc:
Since I started with finding the derivative in respect to x, throughout the calculation I treated y^2 as constant 'a'
No, that's not correct. Your function is ##z = \tan(x^2y^2)##, so z is a function of both x and y. Unless both x and y are themselves functions of some other variable (such as t, for example), there is no derivative dz/dx.

In this case there are two first (partial) derivatives: ##\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}## and ##\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}##. And there are four second partials ##\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial x^2}##, ##\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial y^2}##, and the two mixed partials. You were told all of this in the other thread you started.

The two first partials aren't too hard if you leave ##\tan(x^2y^2)## as it is and don't write it as a quotient. You do know the formula for the derivative of tan(x), don't you? It greatly complicates matters to take the derivative of sin(x)/cos(x).

One more thing. Please use parentheses around the arguments to any trig function. I realize that textbooks often write things like ##\sin \theta##, but as soon as the function arguments get more complicated, it really helps to add in the parentheses. tan x^2*y^2 is ambiguous, but tan(x^2*y^2) is perfectly clear.
 
Ray Vickson said:
Is your function ##\tan(x^2) + y^2 = y^2 + \tan x^2?## That is what you wrote. If you mean ##\tan(x^2+y^2)## you need to write parentheses, to keep the things sorted out properly.

You do not need to use LaTeX (although it will be worth your effort in the long run); you can just use plain typwriter text, like this: tan(x^2 +y^2). That is perfectly clear to everybody. You can even write things like (d/dx) tan(x^2+y^2), to indicate a partial derivative wrt x.

I was not able to get the word file to open properly on my laptop, and not open at all on my i-phone. You should avoid posting word attachments if you are really serious about wanting help
No the * sign stands for multiplication so it's ##\tan (x^2 * y^2)##
 
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