Derivative as a rate of change exercise

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The problem involves a police car parked 50 feet from a wall, with a siren spinning at 30 revolutions per minute. The task is to determine the velocity of the light beam as it strikes the wall at various angles (30°, 60°, and 70°). The relationship between the angle and the distance the beam travels on the wall is explored through calculus and derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the angle of the light beam and its velocity on the wall, using trigonometric functions and derivatives. There are attempts to apply the formula for dx/dt, but discrepancies between calculated and expected results prompt questions about potential errors in the approach.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided comments on the calculations and suggested using radians instead of degrees for consistency. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, and while some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or solution.

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Participants note the importance of using consistent units and the potential impact of converting angles and rates into different forms. The original poster expresses frustration over the discrepancies in their calculations, indicating a need for further clarification.

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Homework Statement



A police car is parked 50 feet away from a wall. The police car siren spins at 30 revolutions per minute. What is the velocity the light moves through the wall when the beam forms angles of: a) α= 30°, b) α=60°, and c) α=70°?

This is the diagram:
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Where:
  • α is the angle the light beam makes with the siren (and it is a variable)
  • dα/dt is the angular velocity of the light beam (and it is a constant; 30 revolutions per minute)
  • x is the length of what the beam hits in the wall (it is a variable)
  • dx/dt is velocity on how much light is being struck in the wall (it is a variable, and what's we are supposed to compute with the given data)
  • Also we have the distance between the police car and the wall, which is also a constant and is 50 feet.
Ok, before going to the formulas, according to my textbook the answers should be:
  • When the angle is 30° (= 0.524 rad) the velocity is 200π/3 feet per second
  • When the angle is 60° (= 1.047 rad) the velocity is 200π feet per second
  • When the angle is 70° (= 1.222 rad) the velocity is approximately 427.43π feet per second

Homework Equations



Well, this is a calculus problem, it does not take a pre-shaped formula as in physics or chemistry. However, we are dealing with derivatives as a rate of change. I found the relationship which may lead to the problem answer:

If we consider the previous diagram the formulas are:
  • x=50tan(α) which leads to the one below
  • dx/dt=50(sec2α)(dα/dt)= 50(1/cos2α) (this is the equation I used for attempting to solve the problem)
NOTE: For getting the second equation, I used the trigonometric derivatives rules

The Attempt at a Solution



I did use the last formula; replacing with the given data we get:

For the angle of ,524 rad
dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=66.69 ft/s which is not the same as 200π/3 ft/s
For the angle of 1,047 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=201.96 ft/s which is not the same as 200π ft/s
For the angle of 1,222 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=423.4 ft/s which is not the same as 427.43 ft/s

I need to see what I'm doing wrong; I've been stuck in this problem for about an hour and a half :(
 

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MarcusAu314 said:

Homework Statement



A police car is parked 50 feet away from a wall. The police car siren spins at 30 revolutions per minute. What is the velocity the light moves through the wall when the beam forms angles of: a) α= 30°, b) α=60°, and c) α=70°?

This is the diagram:
https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10665816_1485403331744206_1785843909705272494_n.jpg?oh=8c58e875096c8045213bef3bff034736&oe=54BD392F
Where:
  • α is the angle the light beam makes with the siren (and it is a variable)
  • dα/dt is the angular velocity of the light beam (and it is a constant; 30 revolutions per minute)
  • x is the length of what the beam hits in the wall (it is a variable)
  • dx/dt is velocity on how much light is being struck in the wall (it is a variable, and what's we are supposed to compute with the given data)
  • Also we have the distance between the police car and the wall, which is also a constant and is 50 feet.
Ok, before going to the formulas, according to my textbook the answers should be:
  • When the angle is 30° (= 0.524 rad) the velocity is 200π/3 feet per second
  • When the angle is 60° (= 1.047 rad) the velocity is 200π feet per second
  • When the angle is 70° (= 1.222 rad) the velocity is approximately 427.43π feet per second

Homework Equations



Well, this is a calculus problem, it does not take a pre-shaped formula as in physics or chemistry. However, we are dealing with derivatives as a rate of change. I found the relationship which may lead to the problem answer:

If we consider the previous diagram the formulas are:
  • x=50tan(α) which leads to the one below
  • dx/dt=50(sec2α)(dα/dt)= 50(1/cos2α) (this is the equation I used for attempting to solve the problem)
In your formula for dx/dt, it looks like you have lost dα/dt at the end.
MarcusAu314 said:
NOTE: For getting the second equation, I used the trigonometric derivatives rules

The Attempt at a Solution



I did use the last formula; replacing with the given data we get:

For the angle of ,524 rad
dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=66.69 ft/s which is not the same as 200π/3 ft/s
For the angle of 1,047 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=201.96 ft/s which is not the same as 200π ft/s
For the angle of 1,222 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=423.4 ft/s which is not the same as 427.43 ft/s

I need to see what I'm doing wrong; I've been stuck in this problem for about an hour and a half :(
 
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In addition to Mark44's comments, don't change everything to decimals. Use ##30^\circ = \frac \pi 6##radians and ##30##rpm##=\pi##rad/sec.
 
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Thanks everyone, I checked and I got it right.
 

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