How to Solve a Limit Using L'Hôpital's Law?

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The discussion revolves around solving a limit using L'Hôpital's Rule, specifically the limit as x approaches infinity of the expression (x)*[(x^2+1)^-0.5]. Participants explore various methods to approach the problem, including the application of L'Hôpital's Rule and alternative algebraic manipulations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about applying L'Hôpital's Rule to the limit, feeling stuck and unable to progress.
  • Another participant corrects the terminology, clarifying that it is "L'Hôpital's Rule" and suggests that the limit can be solved by rearranging the expression instead.
  • Some participants propose dividing the numerator and denominator by x as a simpler approach.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for getting stuck in an infinite loop when applying L'Hôpital's Rule repeatedly without a clear resolution.
  • One participant suggests a method involving properties of limits to avoid the infinite loop, indicating that the limit can be simplified before applying L'Hôpital's Rule.
  • Another participant raises a concern about the necessity of proving the existence of the limit before applying certain limit properties.
  • Some participants acknowledge the usefulness of computational tools like Maple for handling derivatives in complex expressions.
  • A participant mentions that a simpler approach can lead directly to the answer without encountering infinite regress.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best method to solve the limit, with some advocating for L'Hôpital's Rule while others suggest alternative algebraic methods. There is no consensus on a single approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective strategy.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of considering the existence of the limit before applying certain mathematical properties, indicating that assumptions about the limit's behavior may affect the validity of the approaches discussed.

devanlevin
how do i solve this limit using luptials law

lim
x->(infinity) (x)*[(x^2+1)^-0.5]

i seem to be going in circles, it is meant to be a simple few steps to the solution but i can't see it.
 
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FYI: You're thinking of "L'Hopital's Rule" not "Lupitals law".

Do you insist on using L'Hopital's rule? The limit is easily solved by re-arranging the denominator to cancel the x in the numerator.
 
Divide the top and the bottom by x.
 
devanlevin said:
how do i solve this limit using luptials law

That's "l'Hôpital's rule", which (following the standard rules for written French) can also be written "l'Hospital's rule". It says that in a limit you can replace an indeterminate fraction with the ratio of the derivatives of the numerator and denominator.

So the numerator is x and the denominator is sqrt(x^2+1). Can you find the derivatives of these?
 
devanlevin said:
how do i solve this limit using luptials law

lim
x->(infinity) (x)*[(x^2+1)^-0.5]

i seem to be going in circles, it is meant to be a simple few steps to the solution but i can't see it.

As other's have said, that's "L'Hopital" or "L'Hospital". I don't see how anyone can point out to you where you went wrong if you dont' show what you ahve done. It looks pretty straightforward to me. What did you attempt.
 
… infinite loop …

HallsofIvy said:
As other's have said, that's "L'Hopital" or "L'Hospital". I don't see how anyone can point out to you where you went wrong if you dont' show what you ahve done. It looks pretty straightforward to me. What did you attempt.

Hi HallsofIvy! :smile:

But devanlevin has told us where he got stuck …
devanlevin said:
i seem to be going in circles,

… if you apply L'Hôpital's rule, you do go round in circles … you get stuck in an infinite loop where you keep having to solve the original problem all over again!

Does anyone know a standard way out of this, still using L'Hôpital's rule (so not dividing by x :wink:)? :smile:
 
Yes, there is a simple way. Using l'Hopital's Rule, we can see that

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+1}} = \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \frac{\sqrt{x^2+1}}{x}[/tex]

Then one applies the properties of limits; i.e., suppose the limit

[tex]M = \lim_{x \rightarrow a} f(x)[/tex]

exists and is not zero. Then one can easily find

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow a} \frac{1}{f(x)}[/tex]

using the properties of limits. Then merely set these limits equal to each other (according the first equation, derived via l'Hopital's Rule), and solve. (Sorry, I don't want to give away too much to the person who asked the question).
 
Ben Niehoff said:
[tex]M = \lim_{x \rightarrow a} f(x)[/tex]

Can't you only do this if you know the limit exists and is non-zero? Which you must prove separately?
 
Ben Niehoff said:
Yes, there is a simple way. Using l'Hopital's Rule, we can see that

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+1}} = \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \frac{\sqrt{x^2+1}}{x}[/tex]


Hi Ben Niehoff! :smile:

Yes … that's nice :smile: … although it's an endless loop, you can break out of it by using that trick after the first step … thanks!

(hmm … I hadn't actually noticed it was upside-down :redface: … shouldn't have done it in my head! :rolleyes:)
 
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tiny-tim said:
(hmm … I hadn't actually noticed it was upside-down :redface: … shouldn't have done it in my head! :rolleyes:)

I used Maple to assist, because I hate taking derivatives under square roots.

I agree with the previous poster that one must consider the existence of the limit in the first place. Most of the time, you can simply apply the properties of limits anyway, and if the limit does NOT exist, you'll run into some inconsistency. So if you can find an internally-consistent answer, you can conclude that the limit must exist. I don't know if this is rigorous, though.

A simpler way involves using properties of limits at the start:

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+1}} = \sqrt{\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \frac{x^2}{x^2 + 1}}[/tex]

Applying l'Hopital's Rule here leads directly to the answer, with no infinite regress.
 

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