How to Solve Functional Inequality with Multiple Unknowns?

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The discussion revolves around a functional inequality involving multiple unknowns, specifically finding the values of 'a' for which the function f(x) is less than or equal to 25/2. Participants are exploring the implications of this inequality and the conditions under which it holds true.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the challenge of eliminating the variable x from the inequality due to the presence of two unknowns. There are mentions of completing the square as a potential method. Questions arise regarding the determination of maximum versus minimum values of the function and how these relate to the inequality.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the reasoning behind determining maximum values and the implications of the inequality. Some have attempted to derive specific values for 'a', while others seek clarification on the underlying principles and proofs related to the formulas being used.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions related to the maximum value of the function and how it connects to the inequality. Participants express uncertainty about the conditions that lead to the conclusion that a must be less than or equal to 1/2.

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Given http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-help/attachments/f33/20928d1298610998-function-msp281219ebge8he857gc6900005ba9285dff0f5h79.gif , find the values of ''a'' for which the value of the function f(x) <= 25/2.

The answer is a<= 1/2.

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I have no ideas how to eliminate the x, i can't solve it cause there are 2 unknown in one inequality...
 

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Hi Michael! :smile:

(have an leq: ≤ and try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)
Michael_Light said:
… find the values of ''a'' for which the value of the function f(x) <= 25/2.

I have no ideas how to eliminate the x, i can't solve it cause there are 2 unknown in one inequality...

It means find a such that the maximum value of f(x) is 25/2.

Hint: complete the square :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi Michael! :smile:

(have an leq: ≤ and try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)


It means find a such that the maximum value of f(x) is 25/2.

Hint: complete the square :wink:


How do you know that it is a maximum but not minimum? :confused: By letting the maximum of f(x) = 25/2, i got a=1/2, what should i do next?
 
Michael_Light said:
By letting the maximum of f(x) = 25/2, i got a=1/2, what should i do next?

That sounds like an answer. :confused:

How did you get it?

Doesn't the way you got it tell you whether it's a maximum or minimum?
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi Michael! :smile:

(have an leq: ≤ and try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)


It means find a such that the maximum value of f(x) is 25/2.

Hint: complete the square :wink:


I mean... how do you know that it is a maximum value before you find ''a''? and does f(x) <= 25/2
indicates that the maximum/minimum value of f(x) is smaller or equal than 25/2? Thanks.:smile:
 
I've no idea what you've done. :confused:
Michael_Light said:
… i got a=1/2 …

how did you get a = 1/2 ?
 


tiny-tim said:
I've no idea what you've done. :confused:how did you get a = 1/2 ?

Max/min value of f(x), i.e -b2/4a + c = 25/2 and solve it...
 
Michael_Light said:
Max/min value of f(x), i.e -b2/4a + c = 25/2 ...

Is this just a formula that you've learned from somewhere, or do you know how to prove it?
 


tiny-tim said:
Is this just a formula that you've learned from somewhere, or do you know how to prove it?

By solving
MSP659519ebhe4f2eegd5i0000041fh743830baidh5.gif
.. i managed to get a=1/2, but yet the answer is a<= 1/2... i don't know why a <= 1/2...
 
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Do you know how to prove this formula??

Where did you get it from? :confused:
 
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tiny-tim said:
Do you know how to prove this formula??

Where did you get it from? :confused:

From http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-help/attachments/f33/20928d1298610998-function-msp281219ebge8he857gc6900005ba9285dff0f5h79.gif , we get f(x)=(a-1)x2+(4a+3)x+(4a-2)... where A represents (a-1), B represents (4a+3) and C represents (4a-2)... so -B2/4A + C = maximum/minimum value of f(x)...
 
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Michael_Light said:
From … we get f(x)=(a-1)x2+(4a+3)x+(4a-2)... where A represents (a-1), B represents (4a+3) and C represents (4a-2)... so -B2/4A + C = maximum/minimum value of f(x)...

Yes, I know you can apply the formula (-B2/4A + C), but can you prove it?

Where did you get it from?
 
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tiny-tim said:
Yes, I know you can apply the formula (-B2/4A + C), but can you prove it?

Where did you get it from?

From my reference book. :biggrin:
 
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ok then! :smile:

take the equation ax2 + bx + c = 0 and complete the square …

what do you get? :smile:
 
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tiny-tim said:
ok then! :smile:

take the equation ax2 + bx + c = 0 and complete the square …

what do you get? :smile:

Someone clarified it for me... I managed to solve it now... Thanks for your time and patient.. :biggrin:
 

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