How to Solve the Differential Equation y'' + y = tan^2(x)?

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation y'' + y = tan²(x), which falls under the subject area of differential equations. Participants are exploring various methods to find a particular solution, including integration by parts and the use of trigonometric identities.

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  • Participants discuss the use of integration by parts and the challenges faced with repeating trigonometric functions. There are inquiries about the correctness of the proposed solutions and requests for showing work on integrals. Some participants suggest reconsidering the approach to integration and the definitions used.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts. Some have offered guidance on simplifying integrals and correcting misunderstandings about trigonometric identities. There is no explicit consensus on the final solution, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Homework Statement


y'' + y = tan2x

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yh = c1sinx + c2cosx

yp = -y1 ∫ (y2r/W) dx + y2 ∫ (y1r/W) dx

r = tan2x

y1 = sinx

y2 = cosx

W = 1

I'm using integration by parts, but I've realized that the trig functions repeat (trivial).

Is there another way to solve this equation or is by parts the way to go?
 
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Show your integrals, please. What have you tried?
 
ehild said:
Show your integrals, please. What have you tried?

Thank you for the reply.

I retried by parts and saw that trig identities simplify the integrals, so I don't have to do by parts a second time. I apologize for not displaying my integrals.

My answer is y = c1sinx + c2cos +cosx

if you still want to see my work I can display it, but it's a lot to type. Let me know.
 
Mark Brewer said:
Thank you for the reply.

I retried by parts and saw that trig identities simplify the integrals, so I don't have to do by parts a second time. I apologize for not displaying my integrals.

My answer is y = c1sinx + c2cos +cosx

if you still want to see my work I can display it, but it's a lot to type. Let me know.
Is that really solution of the differential equation?
I would like to see your integrals and what you have tried.
 
W = 1
r = tan2x
y1 = sinx
y2 = cosx

yh = c1sinx + c2cosx

yp = -y1 ∫ ((y2)(r)/W)dx + y2 ∫ ((y1)(r)/W)dx

yp = -sinx ∫ ((cosx)(tan2x)dx) + cosx ∫ ((sinx)(tan2x)dx)

yp = -sinx ∫ ((cosx)(sec2x +1)dx) + cosx ∫ ((sinx)(sec2x +1)dx)

There's two by parts labeled 1 (left side) and 2 (right side)

by parts 1

u = cosx , du = sinx dx
v = sec2x +1 , dv = tanx + x

-sinx(cosx)(tanx +x) - ∫ (sinxtanx - sinx)dx
-sinx(cosx)(tanx +x) + ∫ ((sin2x/cosx) - sinx)dx
-sinx(cosx)(tanx +x) + ∫ (((cos2x + 1(/(cosx) + sinx)dx
-sinx(cosx)(tanx +x) + ∫ (((cos2x + 1(/(cosx) - sinx)dx
-sinx(cosx)(tanx +x) + ∫ (1/cosx)dx + ∫(cosx)dx - ∫(sinx)dx
-sinxcosxtanx + (sinxcosx)x + ln cosx + sinx - cosx
-sin2x + (sinxcosx)x +ln cosx + sinx - cosx

by parts 2

u = cosx , du = sinx dx
v = sec2x +1 , dv = tanx + x

+ cosx(sinx)(tanx + x) -∫ (cosx)(tanx + x)dx
+ cosx(sinx)(tanx + x) -∫ (sinx)dx + ∫(cosx)dx
+ cosx(sinx)(tanx + x) +cosx + sinx
+ cosxsinxtanx + (cosxsinx)x + cosx + sinx
+ sin2x + (cosxsinx)x + cosx + sinx

y = c1sinx + c2cosx -sin2x + (sinxcosx)x +ln cosx + sinx - cosx+ sin2x + (cosxsinx)x + cosx + sinx

Final answer:

y = c1sinx + c2cosx + (sin2xcos2x)x2 +ln cosx + 2sinx

Thanks for having me type out this problem I found mistakes. How does this answer look?
 
Mark Brewer said:
W = 1

yp = -sinx ∫ ((cosx)(tan2x)dx) + cosx ∫ ((sinx)(tan2x)dx)

yp = -sinx ∫ ((cosx)(sec2x +1)dx) + cosx ∫ ((sinx)(sec2x +1)dx)

tan2x is not the same as sec2x +1. Check. But I would not use the secant. Would do it with tan(x)=sin(x)/cos(x) instead.
I do not understand your way of integration by parts, either.
And W=-1.
 
ehild said:
tan2x is not the same as sec2x +1. Check. But I would not use the secant. Would do it with tan(x)=sin(x)/cos(x) instead.
I do not understand your way of integration by parts, either.
Thank you, the secant should have been sec2x -1
 
Mark Brewer said:
Thank you, the secant tan2 should have been sec2x -1
 
Hi Ehild,

My apologies for thinking I could use sec2x - 1. I thought the derivation was tanx from sec2x. I'll use sinx/cosx.

Thank you again for the help.
 
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My new answer is extremely long.

y = c1sinx + c2cosx + sin2x - xcosx(xsinx - 1) - lntanx + secx - cosx(sinxtanx - 2) -xsinx(cosx + 1)
 
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Mark Brewer said:
My new answer is extremely long.

y = c1sinx + c2cosx + sin2x - xcosx(xsinx - 1) - lntanx + secx - cosx(sinxtanx - 2) -xsinx(cosx + 1)

Still not correct, I am afraid. Check the parentheses. I can not tell where your mistakes are if you do not show your work.
You need the integrals ##\int(\cos(x)\tan^2(x)dx)## and ##\int(\sin(x)\tan^2(x)dx)## . How did you do them?Hint: when integrating by parts, integrate u'=sin(x).
 
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