How to Solve the Integral Problem ∫(tan3x/sec2x)dx?

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral problem ∫(tan3x/sec2x)dx. Participants explore various methods of integration, including u-substitution and algebraic manipulation, while examining the equivalence of different forms of the integral's solution.

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  • One participant begins by attempting to solve the integral using a substitution method but expresses difficulty in progressing further.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the integrand in a different form to facilitate a u-substitution, indicating a potential simplification.
  • A later reply presents an alternative approach to the integral, leading to a different solution, and asks for clarification on the correctness of their method.
  • Several participants discuss the equivalence of their solutions, noting that differing forms of the integral can be related through constants of integration.
  • One participant seeks clarification on a logarithmic property used in the discussion, specifically how ln|sec(x)| relates to -ln|cos(x)|.
  • Another participant provides an explanation of the logarithmic property and the definition of secant to clarify the relationship between the logarithmic expressions.
  • One participant references a well-known integral involving sin(x) and cos(x) to illustrate that different methods can yield equivalent results.

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Participants generally agree that multiple methods can lead to equivalent solutions for the integral, but there is no consensus on a single preferred method. The discussion remains open with various approaches being explored.

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Some participants' solutions differ in form but are argued to be equivalent up to a constant. The discussion includes various assumptions and steps that may not be universally accepted or resolved.

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Students and practitioners interested in integral calculus, particularly those exploring different integration techniques and the relationships between various forms of solutions.

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∫(tan3x/sec2x)dx

this is what i do:

∫(tan3xsec-2x)dx
∫(tan2xtanxsec-1xsec-1x)dx
∫(sec2x-1)tanxsec-1xsec-1x)dx
let u = secx;
du = tanxsecxdx

now I'm stuck! please help.:confused:
 
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Re: another integ problem.

I think my approach would be to rewrite the integrand as follows:

$$\frac{\tan^3(x)}{\sec^2(x)}=\frac{\sin^3(x)}{\cos^3(x)}\cos^2(x)=\frac{-\sin(x)\left(\cos^2(x)-1 \right)}{\cos(x)}$$

Now you should see a $u$-substitution that will work quite nicely.
 
Re: another integ problem.

MarkFL said:
I think my approach would be to rewrite the integrand as follows:

$$\frac{\tan^3(x)}{\sec^2(x)}=\frac{\sin^3(x)}{\cos^3(x)}\cos^2(x)=\frac{-\sin(x)\left(\cos^2(x)-1 \right)}{\cos(x)}$$

Now you should see a $u$-substitution that will work quite nicely.

i used that technique makfl and i get the right answer. but for educational purposes i want to know another way of solving that.

this what i do a while ago.

∫(tan3x/sec2x)dx
∫(tan2xtanx/sec2x)dx

∫(sec2x-1)tanx)/sec2x)dx
∫(sec2xtanx-tanx)/sec2x)dx
∫[(sec2xtanx)/sec2x - tanx/sec2x]dx
∫tanxdx - ∫(tanx/sec2x)dx

ln|secx| - ∫(sinx/cosx*cos2x)dx
ln|secx| - ∫sinxcosxdx

u= sinx; du = cosxdx

ln|secx| - ∫udu
ln|secx| - u2/2
ln|secx| - sin2x/2 + C

is my solution correct..it is different with the one i get when i used the technique you suggested.
 
Re: another integral problem.

Yes, your solution is also correct, and many times when we find differing forms for an indefinite integral, we find that they (without the constant of integration) differ only by a constant, which of course is allowed.

So, let's look at the two solutions without the constants:

(1) $$\frac{1}{2}\cos^2(x)-\ln|\cos(x)|$$

(2) $$\ln|\sec(x)|-\frac{1}{2}\sin^2(x)$$

First, we should observe that:

$$\ln|\sec(x)|=\ln|(\cos(x))^{-1}|=-\ln|\cos(x)|$$

So, if we subtract one solution from the other, we should obtain a constant. Subtracting (2) from (1), we get:

$$\frac{1}{2}\cos^2(x)+\frac{1}{2}\sin^2(x)$$

Using a Pythagorean identity, we now have:

$$\frac{1}{2}$$

So, we see that the two solutions differ by a constant, which means they are equivalent as an anti-derivative.

Perhaps a simpler way to look at it is to take the solution you obtained, and rewrite it:

$$\ln|\sec(x)|-\frac{1}{2}\sin^2(x)+C=-\ln|\cos(x)|-\frac{1}{2}\left(1-\cos^2(x) \right)+C=\frac{1}{2}\cos^2(x)-\ln|\cos(x)|+\left(C-\frac{1}{2} \right)$$

Since an arbitrary constant less one half, is still an arbitrary constant, we get:

$$\frac{1}{2}\cos^2(x)-\ln|\cos(x)|+C$$
 
Re: another integral problem.

MarkFL said:
Yes, your solution is also correct, and many times when we find differing forms for an indefinite integral, we find that they (without the constant of integration) differ only by a constant, which of course is allowed.

So, let's look at the two solutions without the constants:

(1) $$\frac{1}{2}\cos^2(x)-\ln|\cos(x)|$$

(2) $$\ln|\sec(x)|-\frac{1}{2}\sin^2(x)$$

First, we should observe that:

$$\ln|\sec(x)|=\ln|(\cos(x))^{-1}|=-\ln|\cos(x)|$$

So, if we subtract one solution from the other, we should obtain a constant. Subtracting (2) from (1), we get:

$$\frac{1}{2}\cos^2(x)+\frac{1}{2}\sin^2(x)$$

Using a Pythagorean identity, we now have:

$$\frac{1}{2}$$

So, we see that the two solutions differ by a constant, which means they are equivalent as an anti-derivative.

Perhaps a simpler way to look at it is to take the solution you obtained, and rewrite it:

$$\ln|\sec(x)|-\frac{1}{2}\sin^2(x)+C=-\ln|\cos(x)|-\frac{1}{2}\left(1-\cos^2(x) \right)+C=\frac{1}{2}\cos^2(x)-\ln|\cos(x)|+\left(C-\frac{1}{2} \right)$$

Since an arbitrary constant less one half, is still an arbitrary constant, we get:

$$\frac{1}{2}\cos^2(x)-\ln|\cos(x)|+C$$

i just want to ask how is ln|secx| = -ln|cosx|... the rest of explanation is enligthening. thanks a lot!
 
Re: another integral problem.

Recall the logarithmic property:

$$\log_a\left(b^c \right)=c\cdot\log_a(b)$$

and the definition:

$$\sec(x)\equiv\frac{1}{\cos(x)}=(\cos(x))^{-1}$$
 
Re: another integ problem.

Hello, paulmdrdo!

The integral \int \sin x\cos x\,dx is famous
for having different (but equivalent) answers.

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1.\: \int \sin x(\cos x\,dx)

Let u \,=\,\sin x \quad\Rightarrow\quad du \,=\,\cos x\,dx

Substitute: .\int u\,du \:=\:\tfrac{1}{2}u^2+C

Back-substitute: .\tfrac{1}{2}\sin^2x + C

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2.\;\int \cos x(\sin x\,dx)

Let u = \cos x \quad\Rightarrow\quad du = \text{-}\sin x\,dx \quad\Rightarrow\quad \sin x\,dx = \text{-}du

Substitute: .\int u(\text{-}du) \:=\:\text{-}\int u\,du \:=\:\text{-}\tfrac{1}{2}u^2+C

Back-substitute: .\text{-}\tfrac{1}{2}\cos^2x + C

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3.\;\int\sin x\cos x\,dx \:=\:\tfrac{1}{2}\int2\sin x\cos x\,dx

. . . =\;\tfrac{1}{2}\int\sin2x\,dx \:=\:\text{-}\tfrac{1}{4}\cos2x + C
 

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