How to understand typo in MIT OCW chapter on Poynting vector?

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The discussion revolves around a potential typo in the MIT OCW chapter on the Poynting vector, specifically in the context of electromagnetic wave energy calculations. Participants are examining the equations related to the energy density of electromagnetic fields and the Poynting vector's expression.

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify a perceived typo in the equations presented in the chapter, questioning the derivation and consistency of the expressions for the Poynting vector. Other participants inquire about the source of an additional factor and suggest checking the relationships between electric and magnetic fields.

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Participants are actively engaging with the equations and exploring the implications of the relationships between the electric field (E) and magnetic field (B). Some guidance has been offered regarding the simplification of terms and the significance of the Poynting vector, although no consensus has been reached on the original poster's concerns.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of variables and units in the equations, with some participants noting potential confusion arising from the original expressions. The discussion reflects a careful examination of the mathematical relationships involved in electromagnetic theory.

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Homework Statement
While reading a chapter about Poynting vector I reached a passage with what seems like a typo.
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If it is a typo, I am still not sure how to fix it.

If it is not, then I am not sure what exactly was done in the algebra.
Here is a chapter from MIT OCW's 8.02 Electromagnetism course.

At the end of page 14 is section 13.6 "Poynting Vector". The calculations I am interested in are on page 15.

There is a passage that seems to have a typo in it. Let me try to show why despite recognizing a typo I am unsure of what the correct version would be.

Consider a plane wave passing through the infinitesimal volume element below

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The total energy in the EM fields in the volume element is

$$dU=UAdx=(U_E+U_B)Adx=\left (\frac{1}{2}\epsilon_0E^2+\frac{1}{2\mu_0}B^2\right )Adx\tag{1}$$

$$=\frac{1}{2}\left (\epsilon_0E^2+\frac{B^2}{\mu_0}\right )Adx\tag{2}$$

The rate of change of energy per unit area is

$$S=\frac{dU}{dt}\frac{1}{A}=\frac{c}{2}\left (\epsilon_0E^2+\frac{B^2}{\mu_0}\right )\tag{2a}$$

where I have used the fact that the EM wave is traveling with speed ##c## and so ##dx=cdt##.

It can be shown that ##\frac{E}{B}=c=\frac{1}{\sqrt{\epsilon_0mu_0}}##, the speed of light.

The chapter then rewrites (2) but the expression seems to contain a typo. Here is the exact passage as it appears in the chapter

$$S=\frac{1}{2}\left (\epsilon_0E^2+\frac{B^2}{\mu_0}\right )=\frac{cB^2}{\mu_0}=c\epsilon_0E^2=\frac{EB}{\mu_0}\tag{3}$$

When I rewrite (2) I get

$$S=\frac{1}{2}\left (c\epsilon_0E^2+c\frac{B^2}{\mu_0}\right )$$

$$=\frac{1}{2}\left (\epsilon_0\frac{E^3}{B}+\frac{EB}{\mu_0}\right )$$

What am I missing?
 
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Where did the added factor of c come from in your rewrite of equation (2)?
 
zenterix said:
$$S=\frac{1}{2}\left (\epsilon_0E^2+\frac{B^2}{\mu_0}\right )Adx=\frac{cB^2}{\mu_0}=c\epsilon_0E^2=\frac{EB}{\mu_0}\tag{3}$$

First of all, you have brought along an ##A\, dx## here that should be divided by ##A\, dt## in the first expression. Try to keep away from such mistakes as they lead to confusion as displayed in post #2.

zenterix said:
When I rewrite (2) I get

$$S=\frac{1}{2}\left (c\epsilon_0E^2+c\frac{B^2}{\mu_0}\right )$$

$$=\frac{1}{2}\left (\epsilon_0\frac{E^3}{B}+\frac{EB}{\mu_0}\right )$$

What am I missing?
You are missing that ##E = cB## so take ##E^2 = c^2 B^2## in the first term and it also becomes the same as the second term - resulting in cancelling the 1/2 in front.

The reason to write it as a product of ##E## and ##B## and not any other powers is that the Poynting vector is proportional to ##\vec E \times \vec B##. The Poynting vector is more general than what they are showing in this particular passage and you cannot get it directly from this argument (although you can use the argument to verify that the Poynting vector indeed describes the expected energy current for the particular situation).
 
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@phyzguy I forgot one step. It is there now, equation (2a).
 
Orodruin said:
You are missing that E=cB so take E2=c2B2 in the first term and it also becomes the same as the second term - resulting in cancelling the 1/2 in front.
Ah yes. I need to get some sleep that is what I need to do. Then maybe I won't miss such things.
 

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