How was this ODE solution found? Doesn't seem to be the normal solution.

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The discussion revolves around the solution of a differential equation related to motion with drag, specifically examining discrepancies between the original poster's solution and another provided solution. The subject area includes ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and their integration techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to reconcile differences in constants of integration between their solution and another solution found online. They question the validity of the other solution and its notation, particularly regarding the initial conditions and the sign of the velocity.

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Participants are actively exploring the implications of the differing constants and the potential for typographical errors in the original solution. Some participants suggest that the sign convention may be a source of confusion, while others affirm the correctness of the original poster's approach to the problem.

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There is mention of a specific initial condition that may not align with the notation used in the other solution, leading to further questioning of the assumptions made in that context.

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Homework Statement


The solution for the differential equation on this page http://electron9.phys.utk.edu/phys135d/modules/m5/Friction.htm#Drag checks out, but I can't figure out how they found it. Both my solution and theirs check out. A couple people I asked for help reached the same solution I did.

The problem appears to be with the constant of integration. I don't see a way of getting from mine to theirs though.
What I am guessing theirs is: C = -((kv(0)/g + 1)
Mine: C = (kv(0))/g - 1

I'm starting to suspect that their solution is a very lucky typo. "Lucky" since it is actually a valid solution, unless I checked it wrong.


Homework Equations


The differential equation: dv/dt = g - (b/m)v

Their solution: v = (g/k) - [(kv(0) + g)/k]e^(-kt) Where k = b/m

The solution I found: v = (g/k) + [(kv(0) - g)/k]e^(-kt) Where k = b/m
The integrating factor I found: u = e^(kt)
The constant of integration I found: C = (kv(0))/g - 1


The Attempt at a Solution


Write the ODE in standard linear form, and solve it as a first-order linear ODE using an integrating factor u(x)=e^(int(p(x)dx). The solution I and a couple other people reached is given above.


On a side-note, I also can't figure out why they multiplied (kv(0))/g in C by k/k. I did the same thing in my solution just because I couldn't see a reason why not (and it makes it easier to compare the two solutions). I suspect the way they found their solution may have had something to do with k/k, but it is also possible they just did that to make it easier to do/show something.
 
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For their solution

[tex]v(0) = -v_0.[/tex]

They probably have a sign wrong. The only other possibility is that they're trying to choose a convention where the velocity is negative for a falling object, but that doesn't seem to be compatible with the other terms in their solution.
 
Is my theory about it being a lucky typo correct then?
 
InvisibleMan1 said:
Is my theory about it being a lucky typo correct then?

I obtain the same solution as you did. Since you wrote v(0) rather than v0 there's no room for confusion.
 
Erm, sorry, but I don't see how that answers my question.
 
InvisibleMan1 said:
Erm, sorry, but I don't see how that answers my question.

Their solution is a solution to the DE, but the notation doesn't correspond well to the initial value condition, since

[tex]v_0 = - v(0).[/tex]

The minus sign could very well be a typo, the only time they refer to v0 is to say that it's the speed at t=0 and the sign didn't matter for that.

You got the right solution and handled the initial value condition the right way.
 
Alright, thanks for the help.
 

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