How/why does spin affect properties of particles?

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The discussion centers around the concept of spin in quantum mechanics and its implications for the properties of particles, particularly in the context of supersymmetry. Participants explore how different spin values affect particle behavior, interactions, and classifications, while also addressing misconceptions about the nature of spin.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that spin is a quantum mechanical property that dictates the number of ways a particle can rotate about its axis, influencing its angular momentum and energy state.
  • Others argue that particles with half-integer spin (fermions) and integer spin (bosons) have fundamentally different statistical behaviors and interactions, affecting how they can occupy energy states.
  • A participant questions why a particle's spin direction changes its properties, indicating a lack of understanding of the concept.
  • Another participant clarifies that spin is not a literal spinning motion but an intrinsic property of particles, similar to mass or charge.
  • Some participants express surprise at the abstract nature of spin and its implications for our understanding of the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the abstract nature of spin as an intrinsic property of particles, but there is some confusion and differing interpretations regarding its implications and the specifics of how it affects particle properties.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the exact nature of spin and its effects on particle behavior, as well as misconceptions about its literal interpretation. Some statements about the relationship between spin and particle statistics remain conditional and not fully explored.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particle physics, or anyone curious about the fundamental properties of particles and their interactions.

Jarfi
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In supersymmetry, particles are said to have symmetric partners or something(dont remember what it was called) and those partners where exactly the same but they spun slower, so they had different properties, so why does different spin give different properties of particles?
 
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I think you have misunderstood the idea of Supersymmetry a little bit. The idea of a particle's "spin" is not a measure of how "fast" or "much" it spins, but rather is a quantum mechanical property of an particle which dictates the number of ways a particle can rotate about its axis. Each spin mode dictates a different Angular momentum and energy state, which are important concepts in QM. Particles with half-integer spin numbers (typically 1/2) are called "fermions" and include electrons, muons, protons, neutrons, neutrinos, etc. Particles with integer spin numbers (often 1) are called "bosons" and are force carrier such as the photon, gluon, W-, W+ and Z bosons. Two other bosons called the graviton and Higgs Boson are theorized but haven't been found. The theory of super-symmetry states that for ever fermion, there is an identical particle of opposite spin.

So, for example, the neutrino is a fermion, of spin number 1/2, Supersymmetry theorizes there is a particle of the exact same mass and charge, but instead of being a fermion of half integer spin, it is now a boson, of integer spin 1. This is called the "neutralino". Every fermion is supposed to have a similarly opposite-spin boson and vice-versa for the bosons. This neutralino would make a excellent candidate for Dark Matter, but alas, not supersymmetric particle have ever been found.

Different spin numbers effect many things, most basically, how a particle spins about its axis, but also dictates the sort of statistics we must use in order to do physics on large amounts of these particles, how particles interact with different energy states, etc. (example, an electron cannot share the same energy state with any other electron, which is seen in electron shells in atoms. However, photons, which are boson actually like to share energy states with other photons, and we can cram many of them into identical energy states, such as a Bose-Einstein condensate.
 
Hmm so if a particle spins in a different direction it changes its properties, but why?:o, sry don't really know much about physics, I am still just an amateur noob:(
 
Jarfi said:
Hmm so if a particle spins in a different direction it changes its properties, but why?:o, sry don't really know much about physics, I am still just an amateur noob:(

The word spin in quantum mechanics doesn't mean to literally spin, like a top. It is a property which, like soothsayer said,
Different spin numbers effect many things, most basically, how a particle spins about its axis, but also dictates the sort of statistics we must use in order to do physics on large amounts of these particles, how particles interact with different energy states, etc.

It is like any other property, be it charge, mass, angular momentum, etc.
 
So the spin of a particle is kind of like the particles state/how it behaves
 
Yep!

It's not *really* the angular momentum of a particle, or how it spins on its axis, it's more of an intrinsic property of a particle that we like to think of as a sort of spin. It's pretty weird quantum mechanical stuff, but it's just as fundamental to a particle as its mass or charge.

Here's a good site I found, With one little typo, the author mentioned photons have spin 0 when in fact they have spin 1, not that important for a gloss over of spin, but it changes things ;)

http://www.Newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00562.htm
 
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soothsayer said:
Yep!

It's not *really* the angular momentum of a particle, or how it spins on its axis, it's more of an intrinsic property of a particle that we like to think of as a sort of spin. It's pretty weird quantum mechanical stuff, but it's just as fundamental to a particle as its mass or charge.

Here's a good site I found, With one little typo, the author mentioned photons have spin 0 when in fact they have spin 1, not that important for a gloss over of spin, but it changes things ;)

http://www.Newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00562.htm



Great link, explains a lot. Haha i tought they literally meant a spinning spere, but they don't even know what the spin in itself is just some kind of state of the particle, pretty cool how little we actually know about the world
 
Jarfi said:
pretty cool how little we actually know about the world

Indeed it is! It ensures this physics degree I'm getting won't be totally useless ;)
 

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