How would Fg vs. r look on a graphical diagram?Fg on y-axis, r on

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The discussion revolves around the graphical representation of the gravitational force (Fg) as a function of distance (r) from the center of the Earth, specifically examining the relationship between these two variables in the context of orbital mechanics and a hypothetical scenario involving a cannonball fired from the top of Mount Everest.

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  • One participant asks how the graph of Fg versus r would look, suggesting Fg on the y-axis and r on the x-axis, with r ranging from 1re to 6re (re being the radius of the Earth).
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for an initial attempt at the problem, questioning the nature of the relationship (linear, squared, cubic, inverse-square).
  • Some participants propose that the relationship is linear, while others later clarify that gravitational force is inversely proportional to the square of the radius.
  • Participants discuss the equation for gravitational force, Fg = G*m1*m2/r^2, and its implications for the relationship between Fg and r.
  • There is confusion regarding the formula for orbital velocity, v = sqrt(GM/r), with requests for clarification on its derivation and application.
  • One participant notes that as the radius increases, the gravitational force decreases, prompting further exploration of the mathematical relationship.

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There is no consensus on the nature of the relationship between Fg and r, with some participants asserting a linear relationship while others argue for an inverse-square relationship. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact graphical representation and the implications of the equations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over certain formulas and their applications, indicating a need for further clarification on the derivation of height in relation to the radius of the Earth and the height of Everest. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying gravitational forces, orbital mechanics, and those interested in the mathematical relationships governing these concepts.

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how would Fg vs. r look on a graphical diagram?
Fg on y-axis, r on x-axis (from 1re to 6re)

re (radius of the Earth)

If a cannon ball is fired from the top of Everest parallel to the Earth's surface fast enough (ignoring air resistance and assuming that it doesn't bump into anything), it will "orbit" the Earth and hit the back of the cannon that it was fired from. Find the speed required to do this.
 
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As this is homework, you'll need to show an attempt first.

The relationship for the first part is what? Linear? Squared? Cubic? Inverse-Square?

The second part, what equations do you know?
 


for the first part, it would linear .
for the second part, i would use v=2pi*r divided by T
 


saan100 said:
for the first part, it would linear

Really? What's the equation for gravitational force?
for the second part, i would use v=2pi*r divided by T

I'm going to refer you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_speed

You'd be better off using v = sqrt(GM/r) as you know all the numbers for that quite easily.

Where v = velocity, G = gravitational constant, M = mass of earth, r = radius of Earth plus height of everest.

If you don't know the speed, you won't know T from your above equation.
 


- the equation for Fg = G*m1*m2/r^2

-for second part, I'm confused over the formula you provided. Would you kindly explain it?
 


saan100 said:
- the equation for Fg = G*m1*m2/r^2

Ok, so what does that tell you about the Fg and r relationship?
-for second part, I'm confused over the formula you provided. Would you kindly explain it?

Have a read through the link I provided, it's really short.

v = \sqrt {\frac {GM}r}

If you plug in the numbers as per my previous post, you will get the required orbital velocity for the height of everest. In other words, the speed you need the canon ball to travel at. That's all there is to it.
 


The relationship - The greater the radius, the lesser the gravitation force
 


saan100 said:
The relationship - The greater the radius, the lesser the gravitation force

Of course, but what does the equation tell you?

Gravitational force decreases...

a) linearly to radius.
b) proportional to the square of the radius.
c) proportional to the cube of the radius.
d) inversely proportional to the square of the radius.

Look at it a bit simpler, the relationship is g = a/r2.

Where a = Gm1m2
 


a) linearly to radius.

- for the second part question, in the equation r = re + h , how do u get the height of the everest
 
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saan100 said:
a) linearly to radius.

No, ok I'll give it to you. Gravity is inversely proportional to the square of the radius.
for the second part question, in the equation r = re + h , how do u get the height of the everest

Google.
 
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thanks for the help !
 
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saan100 said:
thanks for the help !

Do you understand the first bit regarding the relationship though? Could you explain it with reference to the equation?
 

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