How would i evaluate an integral such as this

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral ∫ (a^(n+1)-1)/(a-1) da, which is related to series and summation concepts in calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between summation and integration, questioning how to approach the integral and whether substitution or integration by parts is appropriate.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of the summation and its convergence, particularly as n approaches infinity.
  • Questions arise regarding the definition of non-elementary integrals and the logic behind substituting an integral for a summation.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the integral and exploring different interpretations of the problem. There is no clear consensus yet, but several lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants mention the need for clarity on terminology and the implications of the variables involved, particularly regarding the behavior of the function as n approaches infinity and the conditions under which the integral may or may not have an elementary form.

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Homework Statement


∫ (a^(n+1)-1)/(a-1) da


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i took this equation from the series of sigma with the bound of N k=0 and the argument as a^K (I'm sorry if this is confusing i don't know how to type it out and I'm not sure what all the correct terminology is).


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i really just don't know where to start with this one, i don't know what would be appropriate to use, by parts or substitution, and if it is by substitution what do i substitute?
 
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Are you saying that the original problem was

[tex]\int \left( \sum_{k=0}^{n} {a^k} \right) da[/tex]

?

In that case, you can use the fact that ∫ [f(x) + g(x)] dx = ∫ f(x) dx + ∫ g(x) dx and apply this over and over again to your summation.

The summation implies that n is a nonnegative integer, but if that is not the case, I don't think this function has an elementary integral.
 
what is a non-elementary integral?
and basically i was just trying to see what would happen if the summation was switched with an integral, because that sum is (when n approaches infinite) is 2. But that's only when the numbers increase at an integer amount, i wanted to see what it would be if it increased at every amount so i thought substituting the integral in would work. (is my logic flawed)

EDIT:forgot to put in the fact that it only approaches two when a=1/2
 
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[itex]a^{n+1}- 1= a^{n+1}- 1^{n+1}= (a-1)(a^n+ a^{n-1}+\cdot\cdot\cdot+ 1)[/itex]. Does that help?
 
[tex]S=a_1+qa_1+q^2a_1+q^3a_1+...+q^na_1[/tex]

[tex]Sq=qa_1+q^2a_1+q^3a_1+q^4a_1+...+q^{n+1}a_1[/tex]

[tex]Sq-S=q^{n+1}a_1-a_1[/tex]

[tex]S(q-1)=a_1(q^{n+1}-1)[/tex]

[tex]S=\frac{a_1(q^{n+1}-1)}{q-1}[/tex]

Is it enough?

Regards.
 
Storm Butler said:
what is a non-elementary integral?

A non-elementary integral is one that cannot be expressed in elementary functions.

An elementary function is one that can be written in terms of "simple" functions. A more thorough definition can be found at http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ElementaryFunction.html

Storm Butler said:
and basically i was just trying to see what would happen if the summation was switched with an integral, because that sum is (when n approaches infinite) is 2. But that's only when the numbers increase at an integer amount, i wanted to see what it would be if it increased at every amount so i thought substituting the integral in would work. (is my logic flawed)

EDIT:forgot to put in the fact that it only approaches two when a=1/2

So you started with

[tex]\lim_{n \to \infty} \sum_{k=0}^{n} {\left( \frac{1}{2} \right)^k} = 2[/tex]

right? I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you did afterwards.
 
after that i replaced the sigma notation with an integral
 

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