How would the electric field vector vary at a large distance

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The problem involves an insulating sphere with a specific charge density and seeks to understand how the electric field behaves at a large distance from this charge distribution. The charge density is given as ρ=ρ'(a^2-r^2)cosθ for r < a, and participants are exploring the implications of a total charge of zero on the electric field.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of total charge and the implications of obtaining a zero result. There is consideration of how a non-zero electric field can arise despite zero total charge, with references to the contributions of positive and negative charges.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about charge and electric field relationships. Some guidance has been offered regarding the potential for an electric field to exist despite a zero total charge, and there is an exploration of higher-order effects.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a textbook answer regarding the behavior of the electric field, which some participants are questioning. The discussion includes a suggestion to visualize the charge distribution to better understand the electric field contributions.

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Hi guys,
I am stuck at this problem,

Homework Statement


Here it is given that an insulating sphere of radius a, carries a charge density ρ=ρ'( a^2-r^2)cosθ, when r <a. How will the leading order term for the electric field at a distance d, far away from this charge distribution vary?

ρ' is a constant term.

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The Attempt at a Solution

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I was thinking of calculating the total charge first. But here on integrating the given charge density I'm ending up getting zero.
∫ρ dτ= 0. Because dτ=r^2 sinθ dθ dφ dr
I'm unable to understand how to approach the sum, if I'm getting the total charge 0 in the first place?
The answer is that the field must vary by d^-1
 
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Hello Naomi, :welcome:

(Please use and do not erase the homework template -- it's good for you too ! :smile)

Your thinking is just fine. Charge zero does not mean field zero, though:

If the total charge is zero, you might want to look at the subsequent order: after all, a + charge at (0,0,1) and a - charge at (0,0,-1) do cause an electric field, even further away...
 
BvU said:
Hello Naomi, :welcome:

(Please use and do not erase the homework template -- it's good for you too ! :smile)

Your thinking is just fine. Charge zero does not mean field zero, though:

If the total charge is zero, you might want to look at the subsequent order: after all, a + charge at (0,0,1) and a - charge at (0,0,-1) do cause an electric field, even further away...
Hello! Oh I'm so sorry, I'm new so I didn't know.
Well if the charge is zero, how does the field exist? Because the expression of electric field itself has the "Q" term. The answer is that the electric field must vary by d^-1. I'm still not able to solve :((
 
Naomi13 said:
Well if the charge is zero, how does the field exist?
The blue characters are clickable. Did you look there ?
BvU said:
a + charge at (0,0,1) and a - charge at (0,0,-1) do cause an electric field, even further away
Make a drawing and see that the two contributions to the field at some point do not cancel.

Naomi13 said:
The answer is that the electric field must vary by d^-1
Is that so ? How do you know ?
 
BvU said:
The blue characters are clickable. Did you look there ?
Make a drawing and see that the two contributions to the field at some point do not cancel.

Is that so ? How do you know ?
Well the answer is provided in my book.
 
Well, if the book says so, who knows :rolleyes: . Let's try and find out if it's correct.

What about the remainder of post #4, the other two items ?
 

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